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Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexit

Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Gaztopian said:
Considering the pussification of the native population ~
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LOL wut? Is this why British forces are on the ground in the ME?

Gaztopian said:
considering that half of the UK is of Pakistani/Indian descent,
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You'll provide citations for this interesting data?

PeteEU said:
If the UK decides to return to its pre-US imperialist ways ~
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Come on, you know that was never part of the referendum plans by any side.

joG said:
~ Until then, the UK has a vote in the EU and can thus alter the outcome of the process of change. This is important, whether it remains in or leaves the EU ~
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We're already asked to absent ourselves from many of the meetings which makes sense if we're leaving.
 
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MickeyW said:
Good. FLUSH THE EU!
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The OP isn't about the EU, it is about Europe, and its being held hostage by the UK government and economy.
The European Union and Europe are not the same thing - for example:
Norway is in Europe, but it is not part of the EU.
The United Kingdom is - technically - in Europe, but it is not part of the EU.
The Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Albania, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and parts of Turkey are in Europe, but not part of the European Union.
Just because a nation is European in geography does not automatically make it a member-state of the EU, or any less effected by the UK if it is not part of the EU - seeing how all European states except Russia are so closely intertwined economically with the Eurozone and the EU market...
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
The OP isn't about the EU, it is about Europe, and its being held hostage by the UK government and economy.
The European Union and Europe are not the same thing - for example:
Norway is in Europe, but it is not part of the EU.
The United Kingdom is - technically - in Europe, but it is not part of the EU.
The Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Albania, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and parts of Turkey are in Europe, but not part of the European Union.
Just because a nation is European in geography does not automatically make it a member-state of the EU, or any less effected by the UK if it is not part of the EU - seeing how all European states except Russia are so closely intertwined economically with the Eurozone and the EU market...
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ok......but Russia is geographically in Asia.
 
Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Brexit Is Actually Boosting the UK Economy
Nicole Gelinas, New York Post

Two months ago, the world’s wise men were warning that if UK voters decided to “Brexit” from the European Union, they’d rain down economic crisis. Guess what? Today, Britain is fine — and has even seen a boost from its “Leave” vote. . . .
 
Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

MickeyW said:
ok......but Russia is geographically in Asia.
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You really don't care what comments like these make you look like, d'ya? :lamo
 
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Chagos said:
You really don't care what comments like these make you look like, d'ya? :lamo
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You put Russia in with Europe, it's not part of Europe....just correcting your mistake.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Brexit Is Actually Boosting the UK Economy
Nicole Gelinas, New York Post

Two months ago, the world’s wise men were warning that if UK voters decided to “Brexit” from the European Union, they’d rain down economic crisis. Guess what? Today, Britain is fine — and has even seen a boost from its “Leave” vote. . . .
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As I predicted when it happened.....
 
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MickeyW said:
You put Russia in with Europe, it's not part of Europe....just correcting your mistake.
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........topping one silly comment with yet another.............why am I not surprised.

I didn't put Russia anywhere, buddy, you're confusing me with somebody else. But DO tell us again how Moscow is in Asia. Like East of the Urals (if you know what those are).

Ever heard of Eurasian states?
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
LOL wut? Is this why British forces are on the ground in the ME?



You'll provide citations for this interesting data?
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Relax mate, I was just taunting. Let's have a warm beer :lol:
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
I get where you're coming from, I really do. But the UK is a powerhouse. The EU is a loose assemblage of various disparate and often-times not-seeing-eye-to-eye rivals that borderline hate one another - the best example being the Franco-German rivalry. Unless there is some form of United European Military, I don't see them standing much of a chance against the UK. The United States and China have the EU by the balls.
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Is it a powerhouse?`Yes per GDP it the 5th largest economy... but how much of that is actual and not imaginary? I am guessing we wont see the actual power until after article 50 is triggered..
 
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joG said:
Don't be silly. The Ukraine is a European problem, that the EU made an inexcusable mess out of. It was so bad, in fact, that a President that wanted nothing less than that kind of international security imbroglio saw himself forced to act, after the EU had triggered the crisis with that unspeakable "trade" treaty without taking precautions against a Georgian Repeat.
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LOL yea that is what happened.. and it had absolutely nothing to do with the Ukrainians wanting to seize Sevastopol and the fact that NATO wanted to move its borders all the way up to the Russian border.. naw nothing to do with that. It was all the EU and a trade deal... sure... You having fun in that fantasy world?
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
LOL wut? Is this why British forces are on the ground in the ME?



You'll provide citations for this interesting data?



Come on, you know that was never part of the referendum plans by any side.



We're already asked to absent ourselves from many of the meetings which makes sense if we're leaving.
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That is probably not the reason for the marked absence, but more not wanting to be seen acting against the will of the people before there is real need. Also seeing things happen with the UK government standing aside will provoke Britishers to desire participation, it is seemingly and probably correctly thought. That does not mean that the UK has abdicated voting rights not has the basis for calculating majorities changed yet. But, we shall see.
 
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PeteEU said:
What? A local conflict in the remote reaches of Europe.. is some how relevant to the people of the EU? Most dont give a crap about Ukraine.
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What a nice bunch the EU are. With friends like this who needs an enemy!
 
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PeteEU said:
So you think the EU ministers are "spineless" when it comes to Russia? Ever think that they dont care about Ukraine at all and were only pushed into the mess thanks to the Americans and Brits? You do know that the EU/US/UK support (at least for now) a borderline neo-nazi government in the Ukraine? Ministers and countries have been distancing it self from almost the start.. from the Ukrainians.. because of this. The only thing keeping the EU in the situation, is a massive political pressure from within NATO.

Now with the UK it is another matter. Here the EU ministers do not want the UK to have all the perks of the EU without consequences.. there will not be any "backing down".. the UK will (when it finally gets its own political mess in order) have to pay dearly for leaving the EU.
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Your post is 'dripping ' in spite. Of course, you have form for hating on America and the UK but at least you'd try and tone down that hatred.
 
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gunner said:
What a nice bunch the EU are. With friends like this who needs an enemy!
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Come on, get real. It is a conflict far away, and it has zero impact on our lives. Why should we care in the EU? Bet most Brits dont give a damn either.. there are more local things to worry about.

And once you actually get past the propaganda war going on, you seriously question if we should even be mixed up in their internal dispute.
 
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gunner said:
Your post is 'dripping ' in spite. Of course, you have form for hating on America and the UK but at least you'd try and tone down that hatred.
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Dripping of spite? Get real. Do you really expect people/nations to bend over and take it up the... just because you are the UK? The UK voted to get this divorce and divorces are painful. Dont blame the EU for trying to get the best deal for the EU and its people. It has absolutely nothing to do with spite, but has everything to do with reality. You want acces to our markets at current conditions.. well you will have to pay for that, both fiscally and politically just like everyone else... being the UK is not special any more. In fact one could argue it is actually a burden thanks to your history.
 
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Britain was wise to get off that sinking ship. EU benefits mainly Germany, Denmark, and a few other wealthy nations, while sucking the poor nations dry via the Euro and the ECB. it's a grand experiment, which has failed, expect to see other nations following Britain's lead within the next 2 years.
 
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PeteEU said:
LOL yea that is what happened.. and it had absolutely nothing to do with the Ukrainians wanting to seize Sevastopol and the fact that NATO wanted to move its borders all the way up to the Russian border.. naw nothing to do with that. It was all the EU and a trade deal... sure... You having fun in that fantasy world?
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It is wonderful how people like to bend history to fit the goals of their propaganda.

Had Nato wanted to include Ukraine it could have done so with impunity. But it turned down the membership application years earlier. As it turns out that was a bad mistake. No tears now over spilled milk. But I see you have learned nothing from this either.

In reality it was the EU that was proposing enhanced military cooperation and increasing closeness at a time that it had become dangerous to do so mindlessly that triggered the violence from Moscow. If I recall, it was Title 2, Article 7 that was the flash point. And Putin reacted as one should have known from earlier experience fear. The EU activity was disastrous for the Ukraine and absolutely irresponsible as so often.
 
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joG said:
It is wonderful how people like to bend history to fit the goals of their propaganda.
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Yes you do.

Had Nato wanted to include Ukraine it could have done so with impunity.
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LOL no they could not. Talk about denial.. a NATO country with Russian bases on its territory?

But it turned down the membership application years earlier.
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It turned it down due to political instability and links to Russia.

As it turns out that was a bad mistake. No tears now over spilled milk. But I see you have learned nothing from this either.
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Bad mistake? You mean having a neo-nazi country in NATO is a good thing?

In reality it was the EU that was proposing enhanced military cooperation and increasing closeness at a time that it had become dangerous to do so mindlessly that triggered the violence from Moscow. If I recall, it was Title 2, Article 7 that was the flash point. And Putin reacted as one should have known from earlier experience fear. The EU activity was disastrous for the Ukraine and absolutely irresponsible as so often.
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Bull**** from start to finish. The EU has been used by NATO to expand and Russia is justified to be worried. There was no political or economic reason what so ever for the EU to start negotiations with Ukraine... the only thing that makes remotely sense is influence from NATO members not in the EU pushing for more "European hands" on the former Soviet sphere of influence. The Ukraine was a political mess long before the present conflict.
 
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PeteEU said:
Yes you do.



LOL no they could not. Talk about denial.. a NATO country with Russian bases on its territory?



It turned it down due to political instability and links to Russia.



Bad mistake? You mean having a neo-nazi country in NATO is a good thing?



Bull**** from start to finish. The EU has been used by NATO to expand and Russia is justified to be worried. There was no political or economic reason what so ever for the EU to start negotiations with Ukraine... the only thing that makes remotely sense is influence from NATO members not in the EU pushing for more "European hands" on the former Soviet sphere of influence. The Ukraine was a political mess long before the present conflict.
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Obviously, you did not follow the situation as it developed. But there are some relatively good pages in Wikipedia that might help you, were you to really be interested. Also, you might want to read up on the treaty, you do not seem to know.
In any event, you're facts are in conflict with what actually happened and it is too much of an aggravation to follow your really off the wall interpretation of reality.

PS: It is not an issue, that Ukraine "was a political mess long before the present conflict". Everyone knew and knows that. I do not know, what you want to say. Or was it just a bit of boilerplate?
 
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PeteEU said:
So you think the EU ministers are "spineless" when it comes to Russia? Ever think that they dont care about Ukraine at all and were only pushed into the mess thanks to the Americans and Brits? You do know that the EU/US/UK support (at least for now) a borderline neo-nazi government in the Ukraine? Ministers and countries have been distancing it self from almost the start.. from the Ukrainians.. because of this. The only thing keeping the EU in the situation, is a massive political pressure from within NATO.

Now with the UK it is another matter. Here the EU ministers do not want the UK to have all the perks of the EU without consequences.. there will not be any "backing down".. the UK will (when it finally gets its own political mess in order) have to pay dearly for leaving the EU.
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Riight. So you claim that the EU doesnt care about Ukraine but they are being forced to do it? Thanks for proving my point that the EU is indeed spineless. Looks like the UK will have a great time since the EU will fold against them then.
 
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joG said:
Obviously, you did not follow the situation as it developed. But there are some relatively good pages in Wikipedia that might help you, were you to really be interested. Also, you might want to read up on the treaty, you do not seem to know.
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I know fully how it developed.. the so called revolution defended by neo-nazi gangs in Kiev to the attempt to seize Russian military bases over to the current situation.

In any event, you're facts are in conflict with what actually happened and it is too much of an aggravation to follow your really off the wall interpretation of reality.
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You are saying that what I wrote was wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

And that is just on the neo nazi aspect.
 
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PoS said:
Riight. So you claim that the EU doesnt care about Ukraine but they are being forced to do it? Thanks for proving my point that the EU is indeed spineless. Looks like the UK will have a great time since the EU will fold against them then.
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No my claim is that they were forced into the cluster**** and are now trying to get out of it without losing too much face. They cant after all do 180 and admit that they were wrong and Putin was right.. so it is happening slowly. Each new mistake the Ukrainian government does, the less support it will get from Europe.
 
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PeteEU said:
1. I know fully how it developed.. the so called revolution defended by neo-nazi gangs in Kiev to the attempt to seize Russian military bases over to the current situation.



2. You are saying that what I wrote was wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

And that is just on the neo nazi aspect.
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1. That is, what I meant. You are referencing a much too short period for the analysis to make any sense.

2. Of course there were nuts in the pudding of revolt. Why, your own country harbors enough Neo-Nazis to furnish a documentary. I have seen plenty of them on German TV and BBC too, if I correctly remember.
But, you see, that has nothing to do with this tale that you are trying to corrupt with selective memory and information.
 
Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

PeteEU said:
No my claim is that they were forced into the cluster**** and are now trying to get out of it without losing too much face. They cant after all do 180 and admit that they were wrong and Putin was right.. so it is happening slowly. Each new mistake the Ukrainian government does, the less support it will get from Europe.
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It is normal. The EU made horrendous mistakes and cast the Ukrainians into disarray. Like in Greece they point fingers. But the mistakes were theirs.
 
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