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French police make woman remove clothing on Nice beach following burkini ban

Henrin said:
So? Did know that women can stuff some weapons up their vaginas? Lets have mandatory cavity searches too!
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Well thats what they do in Baltimore if you are a black female.
 
Carjosse said:
That is pretty much true of all clothes, should they be banned from wearing hoodies, coats, jackets, pants with pockets, baggy t-shirts, etc.? You know what everyone should just be forced to walk around naked following your insane logic.
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No but if they are covering the face or facial features in public and it aint minus 10 degrees or it is not part of their job/safety.. then anything face covering is banned in most countries. You cant walk into a bank with a face mask for example.. so why should anyone be allowed to do that on the street? What do they have to hide?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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You have to be ****ing kidding me? :doh
In 2016 police are now making women take off their clothing at a beach because they are wearing too much? French men are now dictating to adult women what they are and aren't permitted to wear, justified in the name of feminism. This is sliding down a slippery slope fast.

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The ban of burkini in France is a shame, there is no place to a law like this.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The whole point is the Burkini ban is completely unjustified. If I was sitting on the beach with a long sleeve shirt and jeans should I be told to remove them?
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Well, no you would most likely be asked to leave or get arrested for being a "wierdo" type... especially if you had a camera :)

But the idea of a Burkini is that your head and face is covered. Now this ban has been extended to also cover scarfs it seems by the pictures, and that I dont agree on. But the Burkini.. aka Burka, is by definition a full facial cover and that should not be allowed. It is no different than the confederate flag or Nazi swastika.... it is a symbol of oppression.

Now to justify the present ban, terror has been invoked. Now you might not agree on the harshness, and in fact I dont either if the pictures in the example are correct.. she is not wearing a Burka or Burkini.. she is not hiding her face. But look at it this way, France has been hit by terror lately as we all know. So they are extra vigilant against any and all possible threats, and yes a fully covered person is a problem.. they cant easily identify said person in a security check/sweep, so they have put in place these new rules. Is it any different than me not being allowed to have fluids on board a plane or having to take off my shoes? It is an overreaction yes, but we are still having to do those 2 things despite security experts saying it is idiotic..

And lets be real.. it is HOT at the moment in Southern France, so having on all that cloths is .... odd and frankly dangerous as hell if you are in direct sunlight.
 
joG said:
Nobody said that there were no bigots and xenophobes that support suppression of religious ritual and practice. Only, those ones are even worse than the girls that go swimming in head scarves. I mean, a Hermes print is hansom on the beach; but in the water?
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The Burka is not a religious practice.. it is a tradition of some parts of the world... a tradition that is disgusting and degrading to women. It is no different that female genital mutilation, which is also not religions but a tradition.
 
PeteEU said:
No but if they are covering the face or facial features in public and it aint minus 10 degrees or it is not part of their job/safety.. then anything face covering is banned in most countries. You cant walk into a bank with a face mask for example.. so why should anyone be allowed to do that on the street? What do they have to hide?
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Except burkinis do not cover the face. So essentially women are allowed to wear a hijab (which does not cover the face) but as soon as they touch water they are not allowed to wear it anymore?
 
Henrin said:
:lol: I would love for you to prove that.
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So you dont read Justice Department reports or read the news?

Justice Department Report Details How the Baltimore Police Abuse African Americans - The Atlantic

The female officer then put on purple latex gloves, pulled up the woman’s shirt and searched around her bra. Finding no weapons or contraband around the woman’s chest, the officer then pulled down the woman’s underwear and searched her anal cavity….The search occurred in full view of the street, although the supervising male officer claimed he “turned away” and did not watch the woman disrobe… Officers conducted this highly invasive search despite lacking any indication that the woman had committed a criminal offense or possessed concealed contraband.
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The above was done on the street, in full view of passers by. Now it does not say she was black per say (might in the original report) but considering the report found massive racial bias in the department and tons of wrong doing... like having an illegal surveillance drone program going for years... the well. But we are off topic.. my bad.
 
PeteEU said:
The Burka is not a religious practice.. it is a tradition of some parts of the world... a tradition that is disgusting and degrading to women. It is no different that female genital mutilation, which is also not religions but a tradition.
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You can take clothes on and off, FGM is permanent. But you are correct, they are tradition not religion.
 
PeteEU said:
Well, no you would most likely be asked to leave or get arrested for being a "wierdo" type... especially if you had a camera :)
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So people can't go to a public beach wearing street clothes in France either?
 
PeteEU said:
So you dont read Justice Department reports or read the news?

Justice Department Report Details How the Baltimore Police Abuse African Americans - The Atlantic



The above was done on the street, in full view of passers by. Now it does not say she was black per say (might in the original report) but considering the report found massive racial bias in the department and tons of wrong doing... like having an illegal surveillance drone program going for years... the well. But we are off topic.. my bad.
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That is a case of abuse, not something sanctioned by law.
 
PeteEU said:
The Burka is not a religious practice.. it is a tradition of some parts of the world... a tradition that is disgusting and degrading to women. It is no different that female genital mutilation, which is also not religions but a tradition.
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You can't compare the burkini ban to female genital mutilation, and also you are not the one to decide which tradition is good or bad. This law is ridiculous and ineffective, muslim women won't wear a bikini they will find other solutions to cover their body.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Again the Burkini ban is completely unjustified. Why should there be a law that outlaws women from wearing the Burkini in public? What is the harm to society she is doing by sitting on the beach wearing that?
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The same harm that occurs in this country when a person minding their own business decides to sunbathe in the NUDE. What's the harm? Except it's against most of our public indecency laws just like the Burkini is against French statutes.
 
PeteEU said:
Well, no you would most likely be asked to leave or get arrested for being a "wierdo" type... especially if you had a camera :)

But the idea of a Burkini is that your head and face is covered. Now this ban has been extended to also cover scarfs it seems by the pictures, and that I dont agree on. But the Burkini.. aka Burka, is by definition a full facial cover and that should not be allowed. It is no different than the confederate flag or Nazi swastika.... it is a symbol of oppression.

Now to justify the present ban, terror has been invoked. Now you might not agree on the harshness, and in fact I dont either if the pictures in the example are correct.. she is not wearing a Burka or Burkini.. she is not hiding her face. But look at it this way, France has been hit by terror lately as we all know. So they are extra vigilant against any and all possible threats, and yes a fully covered person is a problem.. they cant easily identify said person in a security check/sweep, so they have put in place these new rules. Is it any different than me not being allowed to have fluids on board a plane or having to take off my shoes? It is an overreaction yes, but we are still having to do those 2 things despite security experts saying it is idiotic..

And lets be real.. it is HOT at the moment in Southern France, so having on all that cloths is .... odd and frankly dangerous as hell if you are in direct sunlight.
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There seems to be some confusion. This is the burkini:
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The burkini does not cover the face.
1.)Anti-mask laws varry wideley from country to country
2.)Even if it does cover ones face it would be completely unjustified IMO
3.)This does not cover the face. It covers the head and body but not the face. Would wet suits not be allowed then? After all, all the burkini is a wet suit with looser swimwear around the body and a hood that does not cover your face. Its swimwear for christ sake. Why is this swimwear such a burden on society that it must be banned?
 
reinoe said:
The same harm that occurs in this country when a person minding their own business decides to sunbathe in the NUDE. What's the harm? Except it's against most of our public indecency laws just like the Burkini is against French statutes.
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1.)Thats why they have nude beaches
2.)You really are comparing a woman who is covered and public nudity? :doh
 
TheDemSocialist said:
1.)Thats why they have nude beaches
2.)You really are comparing a woman who is covered and public nudity? :doh
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The French laugh out our decency laws. You're scoffing at French laws just like they scoff at ours.
 
reinoe said:
The French laugh out our decency laws. You're scoffing at French laws just like they scoff at ours.
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So I will take that as a yes. You are actually comparing a woman who is covered and public nudity in attempts to justify an overreaction that exclusively targets Muslim women... And you are a "libertarian"?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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You have to be ****ing kidding me? :doh
In 2016 police are now making women take off their clothing at a beach because they are wearing too much? French men are now dictating to adult women what they are and aren't permitted to wear, justified in the name of feminism. This is sliding down a slippery slope fast.

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ya that is some bull****
 
PeteEU said:
From the pictures no such thing happened. She was told to remove the head scarf and shawl, and given a fine. It is against the law to wear a "burkini" on French beaches.. and I support that. There is no point at being at the beach if you are covering yourself up in that way. Want to go in water.. do it at home in your own private pool or the tub.
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um hows bieng covered that way give you less of a reason to be at a beach?

i can see some justification for making every one reveal ther face but making it Illegal to cover your body and hair?
 
chuckiechan said:
I get that. But if Saudi's can regulate swimming attire, so can the French.
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they can but they sound more like the saudi's when they do
 
What's with all the reference to "the French" here, anyway. The Burkini issue isn't governed by any regulation or law that comes down from Paris and covers the whole country.

Yet.

Some coastal (beach) communities have passed regulations over it, banning the garment from their beaches. Others haven't.

With that little technicality cleared up, I also hold the whole process to be absolutely stupid.

One might as well create a clothing order that forbids women over a certain weight to wear cyclist's leggings on account of that image being an insult to my eyes. That's not even mentioning what insult in anybody else's eyes my own appearance constitutes.

If catering to certain fears and rejections of certain people is an example of a country working on the integration of those of other cultures, it's no bloody wonder that France is such an abysmal failure in achieving such goals.
 
blarg said:
they can but they sound more like the saudi's when they do
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That's constantly overlooked, namely the silly tu quoque contained in that kind of reasoning.

I don't know what gets into people to suggest that we should set our standards to those far lower ones of others.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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You have to be ****ing kidding me? :doh
In 2016 police are now making women take off their clothing at a beach because they are wearing too much? French men are now dictating to adult women what they are and aren't permitted to wear, justified in the name of feminism. This is sliding down a slippery slope fast.

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[QUOTE="chuckiechan, post: 1066237692, member: 26673"]France is trying remain French. I can see their point. Either get with the culture or get out. It is not fair, but life is not fair.

Imagine a French woman in Saudi Arabia wearing a two piece bathing suit. She would be flogged in the public square.
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I agree it sounds crazy yet France is a small country and that is their law. Good point - we all follow social customs of other countries.

I guess I will wear a bikini in france and if I was in Saudia Arabia i would cover head to toe! :)
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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You have to be ****ing kidding me? :doh
In 2016 police are now making women take off their clothing at a beach because they are wearing too much? French men are now dictating to adult women what they are and aren't permitted to wear, justified in the name of feminism. This is sliding down a slippery slope fast.

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She could have been wired. It IS profiling, but considering what's been going on over there, I really can't blame the cops. Puffy clothing at the beach was her decision. Muslims around the world not publicly condemning terrorism and ex-communicating (as far as that's possible) those who choose that path, is also their decision. I know it looks bad, but people have to do something.
 
chuckiechan said:
I get that. But if Saudi's can regulate swimming attire, so can the French.
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two wrongs don't make a right...or something like that.

should the French hold themselves to a higher standard of freedom than the Saudis, or nah?
 
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