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zyzygy said:
All the shootings and gun crime in the USA are committed by sane people. Got it.
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Let me help you here.

People who go around breaking the law and killing innocent people are not sane. They have serious mental issues and should be remanded to a mental hospital until they can be cured or rehabilitated. These people should never be allowed back among the general population as long as they are a danger to society. The only reason these people are not in mental hospitals and prisons is because society values and prefers vengeance over help and rehabilitation.
 
MickeyW said:
Absolute Nonsense! My daughter was the same age when I taught her and she is very well adjusted.

I've successfully raised 5 children and IMO, most child psychologists are full of crap!

The kids around here....8 to 10 years old .......go hunting for small game after school or on weekends, by themselves. Been going on all over the world since firearms were invented.



Well....if it's unofficial....then it don't count sister. ;)

Left, Right, Centrist, whatever you call yourself, I want nothing to do with your lifestyle or your politics.
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I am not your sister, thankfully.

Socialised medicine is such bullcrap that when WHO produced league tables France and Sweden consistently jostled for top place. But I suppose you think you know more than WHO about health just as you think you know more about child psychology than child psychologists. Have you read any developmental psychology, let alone studied any? Or does your wisdom on the subject come from another You Tube video?

Your daughter is so well adjusted she's teaching her toddler to use a gun. People will draw their own conclusions.

Your refusal to recognise that racial segregation still exists in many of your cities points to the root of the problem.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Not if they are not allowed to have a gun, enjoy target shooting, and hunting.

Most people who hunt and depend on what they kill for food especially when I was younger are good shots. My first gun was a single shot bolt action 22LR I inherited from my dads younger brother. It was the gun they all used for hunting small game for supper. By the age of 14 I was easily hitting a penny at 100' and a can thrown into the air. Yet I had no chance of beating any of them when they starting competing. They all had 20/20 vision and could hit things I couldn't even see with my glasses. It was only the scope that leveled the playing field when I got older. Of course a scope is useless when a golf ball is tossed into the air.



Not as far left as Europe. That is why we still have the right to bear arms. But they are working at taking away our rights slowly bu surely. It sad they have lost the responsibility to safely handle a gun and must have them taken away and restricted.
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When I need food, I go to the market, the local shops or the supermarket. Strange concept.

Yes we are more left in Europe. I'm so pleased.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Bad shots come in all nationalities, and you don't have a real left in the US.
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Whose definition of "real left" are we using?

On a side note, weren't you the lady who said that Hoxha's Albania wasn't that bad?
 
Urethra Franklin said:
When I need food, I go to the market, the local shops or the supermarket. Strange concept.

Yes we are more left in Europe. I'm so pleased.
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So Sad. Too miss out on all the different flavors. We have wild game cook outs where the whole family gets together and shows off their skills cooking all the different animals we hunt or raise. Plus the fish in the summer is to die for. We go to my sisters lake and catch a cooler full of sunfish, bluegill, bass, pickerel. We wade out in the river with screens and catch our own bait including pounds crayfish for a crayfish boil. Every one has a different way to season and cook everything. The flavors are better than most of the best restaurants.
 
MickeyW said:
Fable my ass. It happens almost daily in the US, just ignored by the MSM. Many in law enforcement tell folks to buy a gun and have it ready, because police protection is an oxymoron. The Sheriff in Milwaukee was one of the latest to say it publicly.

Sure you can get shot by the police, that's why you don't get involved unless someone is threatening you or a third party that you care about. But, once again...police protection is an oxymoron and I don't know what your experience is, in most of my state, you can shoot bad guys to your heart's content and never see a cop. ;)

Terrorist are no harder to kill than any other criminal. To believe otherwise..... that is a a fable!
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Yeah, the lie of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun, sure, it may happen from time to time that a criminal is stopped with a gun but usually the bad guys with the guns will have shot and killed people before they can be a "good guy with a gun". Especially when it comes to terrorists and the likes where the fable of the good guy with the gun is ludicrous. Armed trained special police officers still have problems with always making the good choices during a shoot out and you think that an untrained man/woman with a gun will be able to take out terrorists without shooting down innocent people or being shot themselves is ludicrous and I am not the only one who thinks that


The 'good guy with a gun' myth: Column

The director of the program, Pete Blaire, informed Klepper that according to an FBI report (which Blaire co-authored) roughly 20 percent of these situations are ended by a potential victim, and in most cases that potential victim is unarmed. Only 3 percent of attacks are stopped by an actual “good guy with a gun.”
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Here’s Why the Good Guy with the Gun Always Gets Killed | The Fiscal Times

To protect the regular people from bad guys with guns will cost millions and millions to train the good guys with the guns to be effective and safe to stop terrorists and to claim anything else really is fooling
 
Peter King said:
To protect the regular people from bad guys with guns will cost millions and millions to train the good guys with the guns to be effective and safe to stop terrorists and to claim anything else really is fooling
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Millions and millions have already been trained. Do you have any idea how many US Citizens have served in the armed forces. Plus the people who have not been in the military but are avid hunters and target shooters. I promise you the average farmer/hunter in rural America takes a shot at you and you can kiss your backside goodby. Then you have the millions of avid target shooters in this country that start shooting at 6 years old and even younger. I promise you there are millions of good guys that are every bit as qualified and even more qualified than a lot of the poorly trained police in this country.

As a civilian I am not forced to engage a suspect.

However as a trained MP, Soldier, hunter, as well as target shooter if after taking cover and assessing the situation if I decide to take the shot one bad guy will no longer exist. I am one of millions in this country that are more than capable. The circle friends I hang out with only need 1 shot to get the job done.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Whose definition of "real left" are we using?

On a side note, weren't you the lady who said that Hoxha's Albania wasn't that bad?
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Your definition is rather skewed in the US, hence you consider liberal to left. I object to being called a liberal since to me, liberal is rather wishy-washy centre, and most leftists are certainly not economic liberals. Indeed, go to Australia and the Liberal Party is their right wing party.

Hoxha's Albania: I visted it and I often quote here certain things that worked well. I've never condoned the oppressive aspects of the régime, which were many, nor have I ever said "Hoxha's Albania wasn't that bad" so please, if you're going to quote me, get it right.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
So Sad. Too miss out on all the different flavors. We have wild game cook outs where the whole family gets together and shows off their skills cooking all the different animals we hunt or raise. Plus the fish in the summer is to die for. We go to my sisters lake and catch a cooler full of sunfish, bluegill, bass, pickerel. We wade out in the river with screens and catch our own bait including pounds crayfish for a crayfish boil. Every one has a different way to season and cook everything. The flavors are better than most of the best restaurants.
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Well, I don't live in the country, but yes I do remember in my early childhood, and subsequent visits to my homeland, the freshness of the chickens, ducks and turkeys that were killed that morning, usually having their necks wrung by my aunt who was very adept at that. Yes, a hunter might need a shotgun to capture his game. But that is not the same as carrying a pistol into a busy city centre knowing that if you get into trouble you'll use it to kill somebody. And yes I do believe in strict, severe controls on hunting guns with total interdiction to anybody who doesn't need to hunt for food. Hunting for pleasure? No.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
As a civilian I am not forced to engage a suspect.

However as a trained MP, Soldier, hunter, as well as target shooter if after taking cover and assessing the situation if I decide to take the shot one bad guy will no longer exist. I am one of millions in this country that are more than capable. The circle friends I hang out with only need 1 shot to get the job done.
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However you're not the problem, yet.

Mass Shootings - 2016 | Gun Violence Archive

FFS 21 killed and 109 injured so far in August alone. What a lovely peaceful country.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
However you're not the problem, yet.

Mass Shootings - 2016 | Gun Violence Archive

FFS 21 killed and 109 injured so far in August alone. What a lovely peaceful country.
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Agreed. Almost every shooting occurred in cities not the rural area. The rural area is mostly responsible conservative republicans. Inner city shootings is clearly out of hand. The other fact is all these cities are mostly liberal left democrats. It appears they are clearly not responsible enough to have guns. Almost every major city in this country voted left in the last election. The innercity where most of these shootings took place are almost completely democrat. You might have something here. Maybe we should let the left take their guns away. This would solve 90% of the gun violence.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Agreed. Almost every shooting occurred in cities not the rural area. The rural area is mostly responsible conservative republicans. Inner city shootings is clearly out of hand. The other fact is all these cities are mostly liberal left democrats. It appears they are clearly not responsible enough to have guns. Almost every major city in this country voted left in the last election. The innercity where most of these shootings took place are almost completely democrat. You might have something here. Maybe we should let the left take their guns away. This would solve 90% of the gun violence.
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Your analysis is far too simplistic.


Perhaps this is a question of inequality, crime being rife in areas of deprivation, people in deprived areas tending to vote left IF THEY VOTE AT ALL - many don't as they feel disaffected. Ever asked yourself why?

I wonder what the religions of the shooters were, and if people like you and Mickey are drawing wild conclusions about that?
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Your analysis is far too simplistic.
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You posted the list and the first and most obvious thing was the fact that all the shootings took place in primarily democrat or left leaning neighborhoods. I just follow the evidence.

Urethra Franklin said:
Perhaps this is a question of inequality, crime being rife in areas of deprivation, people in deprived areas tending to vote left IF THEY VOTE AT ALL - many don't as they feel disaffected. Ever asked yourself why?
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The reasons are many but that doesn't mean we shouldn't attack the problem at it's source.

Lets punish the people committing the crimes not the people obeying the law. I know the left have a problem with that. They believe rewarding bad behavior is the solution as well as punishing everyone for the crimes of a few.

Urethra Franklin said:
I wonder what the religions of the shooters were, and if people like you and Mickey are drawing wild conclusions about that?
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I don't know. I would suspect because of the violence and wars associated with most religions as well as the intolerance towards those who do not believe as they do I would assume they are all suspect.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
You posted the list and the first and most obvious thing was the fact that all the shootings took place in primarily democrat or left leaning neighborhoods. I just follow the evidence.



The reasons are many but that doesn't mean we shouldn't attack the problem at it's source.

Lets punish the people committing the crimes not the people obeying the law. I know the left have a problem with that. They believe rewarding bad behavior is the solution as well as punishing everyone for the crimes of a few.



I don't know. I would suspect because of the violence and wars associated with most religions as well as the intolerance towards those who do not believe as they do I would assume they are all suspect.
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The list was of mass shootings. How many mass shooters are not punished?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
You posted the list and the first and most obvious thing was the fact that all the shootings took place in primarily democrat or left leaning neighborhoods. I just follow the evidence.
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And as I said, left voting, inner city areas tends to mean poverty, deprivation, unemployment and general misery, that's WHY they vote left as the right offers them no hope. Inequality makes these areas crime-ridden, not the fact that they are left leaning. "Follow the evidence" that these atrocious statistics are in the US, not Europe. See above for the UN international murder rates. European countries are way behind you - why?

PIPEWRENCH said:
The reasons are many but that doesn't mean we shouldn't attack the problem at it's source.
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The reasons are many and complex, and easy access to guns is one.
PIPEWRENCH said:
Lets punish the people committing the crimes not the people obeying the law. I know the left have a problem with that. They believe rewarding bad behavior is the solution as well as punishing everyone for the crimes of a few.
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Not true. I believe in law and order just as most people on the left.

No access to guns is not "punishing" people. It's a sensible measure for the greater good of society, like banning drink-driving, paedophilia, allowing lay-people to practise medicine, etc. etc. Or do you want people to be "free" to do all that as well as be gun-toting vigilantes?


PIPEWRENCH said:
I don't know. I would suspect because of the violence and wars associated with most religions as well as the intolerance towards those who do not believe as they do I would assume they are all suspect.
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So if a proportion of these shooters were Christians, does that make you draw conclusions about Christians as a whole?
 
Manc Skipper said:
The list was of mass shootings. How many mass shooters are not punished?
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Quite a few get away. It depends who is involved and if the people who see what happened cooperate with the Authorities. I have had several workers I have worked with from these inner city crime ridden areas that were shot and nobody was ever brought to justice. It was black on black no witnesses and nobody cared. No race card or hype so the case was never solved or pursued. That is life in the jungle.
 
But things are worse in Europe. I don't think so.
 
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