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Bastille Day Terrorist had Support, Planned Attack for 1 Year

truthatallcost said:
Not all major religions are dangerous however.
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Religions do not force anyone to do anything that is wrong.

It is human instinct to know that murder is wrong.

Anyone that would murder innocent civilians did not do it because of their religion...that is only the excuse.

They did it because they are insane.

'Full Definition of insanity
plural insanities
1
: a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as schizophrenia)
2
: such unsoundness of mind or lack of understanding as prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or as removes one from criminal or civil responsibility'

Insanity | Definition of Insanity by Merriam-Webster


All of the 9/11 hijackers were insane (and/or so ignorant/stupid that they were legally insane). Just as the Atlanta/Baton Rouge shooters. Just as the Virginia Tech, Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook shooters. Just as the Oklahoma City bomber. All of them...insane.


Besides, the Bible says gays should be killed.

'“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)'

Murder in the Bible – Evil Bible .com

Yet most Christians are completely against murdering gays. Why? Because most Christians are not insane. To murder someone strictly because of their sexual preference is insane. Yet it clearly states in the Bible that gays should be killed.

The same with the Quran. I am sure there are lots of incredibly wrong and stupid things in it just as there are in the Bible. But the VAST majority of most Muslims don't follow the insane things because they are not themselves insane (or so stupid/ignorant as to be legally insane).


To murder innocent civilians en masse IS insane...and it takes an insane individual to do it.

Radical islam has become a beacon for insane people the world over to come and carry out insane deeds. It's little to do with the religion...it's just an excuse for whackos to find a source for their rage. Just as Oklahoma City provided a source for Timothy McVeigh's insane rage/hatred.


Religion is not the cause...it is only the excuse.


I sense your mind is closed on this subject...then further discussion is pointless, imo, as you will not change my mind and I will (I assume) not change yours.

So we are done here for now.

Good day.
 
DA60 said:
And the Bible says gays should be killed and it is alright to not only have slaves but to beat them to death - provided they take at least 2 or 3 days to die. Remember that.

All major religions are ridiculous.
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And for other major religions things like that are in the past. For one major religion things like that happen daily.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
But if you dig into things, the Muslims don't hate the Jews for being Jewish - but they do hate the Zionists (and there's a significant difference between Jews and Zionists).
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The bible (which predates the Koran) records many wars and problems that ancient Jews had with surrounding tribes and kingdoms. These surrounding tribes and kingdom's modern day descendants are Middle Eastern Muslims, such as the Palestinians, Iraqis, Iranians, etc. They've been enemies, for the most part, since before Islam even existed.

Zionism is the current complaint used by Muslims, their ancestors would have had other complaints, its a feud that stretches back thousands of years.

However, if you really do want to find hatred against Jews, look into what Martin Luther (the "Father of Protestantism") actually wrote - he hated Jews with a passion, and his writings were used by the Nazis to excuse their earlier persecutions of the Jews in majority-Lutheran Germany.
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Luther was used by the Nazis for propaganda purposes. Hitler praised Luther for his feelings about 16th century Jews in Germany, but left out Luther's ecstatic praise for the life of Christ, who was....... Jewish.
Hitler had no use for Jesus, he used Luther's complaints against Jews because Germany had millions of Lutheran Christians at the time, and Hitler, who was atheist, was trying to get these Lutherans on his side.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I suggest you read the following explanation of what the Qur'an actually says. Read it carefully and you should see that NO, Jews aren't to be hated or killed or whatever. In fact, it's rather easy to look up the verse that says there is to be no compulsion in religion.

In other words, there's a LOT of Muslims out there who don't follow what the Qur'an actually says. In fact, Mohammed left instructions that after he died, there was to be nothing else to be written about what he himself said or did. However, after he died, they did exactly that, and now they're called "Hadith" and "Sunna" - recordings of what Mohammed said or did...and if you read them, some of them are pretty ridiculous, like the one by some guy named Bukhari who said that Mohammed supposedly proclaimed that if a woman or a black dog walks in front of a man while he's praying, his prayers will not be heard. Pretty silly, huh?

But if you dig into things, the Muslims don't hate the Jews for being Jewish - but they do hate the Zionists (and there's a significant difference between Jews and Zionists). However, if you really do want to find hatred against Jews, look into what Martin Luther (the "Father of Protestantism") actually wrote - he hated Jews with a passion, and his writings were used by the Nazis to excuse their earlier persecutions of the Jews in majority-Lutheran Germany.
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Your source the ICNA:
Former ICNA President Ashrafuzzaman Khan was charged with heinous war crimes by Bangladesh's International Crimes Tribunal.
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An ICNA teaching guide produced by its Chicago Tarbiyah Department is explicitly subversive in nature. It instructs Muslims to wage jihad until the entire globe is brought under Sharia. Muslims are told to challenge non-Muslim governments to move in a more Sharia-compliant direction and to support Muslims waging jihad abroad against the enemies of Islam.
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Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)
More apologies and lip service.

And the no "compulsion in religion" verse was abrogated by the verse of the Sword.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Didn't some of the Muslim apologists say that it was just a guy who had marital problems and snapped?


Cough...cough....
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I guess the other 11,744 terrorists that committed terror attacks in 2015 were also just good Muslims that had a bad day.

Cuz...I mean...its not like there is any evidence of consistent and ongoing terrorist attacks occurring in the glorious name of Allah or anything like that...
 
truthatallcost said:
The story changes in installments, as we get new information every few days.

Several days ago, according to what people were saying, Bouhlel;
Wasn't a Muslim.
Carried out the attack because he had had a tough separation from his wife and kids.
Was a "lone wolf" with no accomplices.
Had absolutely nothing to do with Isis.

We now know all of those things to be false.

What we now know about Bouhlel:

Attended mosque.
Sent $100,000 in cash to his family (Isis sends cash to jihadists in Europe)
Had pictures of Isis members stored on his computer
Had cell phone records connecting him to Isis recruiter Omar Diaby
Had been planning the Bastille attack since summer 2015
Had 5 accomplices who are being charged with terrorism TODAY by French prosecutors.

Why are people still denying that Bouhlel was an Islamic terrorist with ties to Isis?
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The story has not changed. All the reports I have read still says that the suspect had no ties with radical Islam. You need to start putting up legit news links because I sure as hell don't believe what you say.
 
PoS said:
The story has not changed. All the reports I have read still says that the suspect had no ties with radical Islam. You need to start putting up legit news links because I sure as hell don't believe what you say.
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NBC isn't a legitimate news link?

Tell me which news source could I post that you consider "legitimate"?
 
truthatallcost said:
NBC isn't a legitimate news link?

Tell me which news source could I post that you consider "legitimate"?
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The very newslink you posted says that there is no link between the suspects arrested and Islamic terrorism. So you just contradicted yourself. Well done.
 
PoS said:
The very newslink you posted says that there is no link between the suspects arrested and Islamic terrorism. So you just contradicted yourself. Well done.
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Do you need things to be spoon fed to you?

Every news article about Bouhlel will usually state something like, "there's no known connection to Islamic terrorism in this case", or, "Bouhlel had no known ties to Isis". These will be posted as either the first or second sentence of every story about Bouhlel.

Buuuuut..
if you read more than 2 sentences of these stories, you will find glaring evidence that Bouhlel was inspired by Isis, and it motivated him to commit his attack.

Example: This story starts with the usual BS about Bouhlel not being connected to Islamic terrorism.

But goes on to say, "Later, prosecutor François Molins said the attacker searched online for terrorist propaganda in the days before Thursday's attack, and a search of his personal computer yielded photos of dead bodies and fighters holding the ISIS flag."
Nice attack: Ties to ISIS not yet established, official says - CNN.com

Then they use old information, from the day after the attack to once again deter you from thinking too much about Bouhlel's collection of Isis death photos:

"However, the prosecutor said, Bouhlel was not a practicing Muslim. He had a history of eating pork, drinking alcohol, taking drugs, engaging in "promiscuous" sex and being "a particularly violent individual to his wife and children". This information is not relevant because its old, and the source of this comment is Bouhlel's father, who was sent $100,000 by Bouhlel. Is he a witness that f-ing CNN should be quoting?

Finally, I don't give a damn how much he loved pork chops, he was a Muslim:







The terrorist behind the Bastille Day atrocity was radicalised within months and sent his Tunisian family £84,000 just days before the massacre, it was claimed on Saturday.

Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel's brother in Tunisia described receiving the fortune in cash as police swooped to arrest five suspected associates across the city of Nice

The French interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, said the attacker "appears to have become radicalised very quickly" as one neighbour of his estranged wife added: "Mohamed only started visiting a mosque in April."
Bastille Day terrorist was radicalised within months and sent £84,000 to his Tunisian family days before attack
 
truthatallcost said:
Do you need things to be spoon fed to you?

Every news article about Bouhlel will usually state something like, "there's no known connection to Islamic terrorism in this case", or, "Bouhlel had no known ties to Isis". These will be posted as either the first or second sentence of every story about Bouhlel.

Buuuuut..
if you read more than 2 sentences of these stories, you will find glaring evidence that Bouhlel was inspired by Isis, and it motivated him to commit his attack.

Example: This story starts with the usual BS about Bouhlel not being connected to Islamic terrorism.

But goes on to say, "Later, prosecutor François Molins said the attacker searched online for terrorist propaganda in the days before Thursday's attack, and a search of his personal computer yielded photos of dead bodies and fighters holding the ISIS flag."
Nice attack: Ties to ISIS not yet established, official says - CNN.com

Then they use old information, from the day after the attack to once again deter you from thinking too much about Bouhlel's collection of Isis death photos:

"However, the prosecutor said, Bouhlel was not a practicing Muslim. He had a history of eating pork, drinking alcohol, taking drugs, engaging in "promiscuous" sex and being "a particularly violent individual to his wife and children". This information is not relevant because its old, and the source of this comment is Bouhlel's father, who was sent $100,000 by Bouhlel. Is he a witness that f-ing CNN should be quoting?

Finally, I don't give a damn how much he loved pork chops, he was a Muslim:







The terrorist behind the Bastille Day atrocity was radicalised within months and sent his Tunisian family £84,000 just days before the massacre, it was claimed on Saturday.

Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel's brother in Tunisia described receiving the fortune in cash as police swooped to arrest five suspected associates across the city of Nice

The French interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, said the attacker "appears to have become radicalised very quickly" as one neighbour of his estranged wife added: "Mohamed only started visiting a mosque in April."
Bastille Day terrorist was radicalised within months and sent £84,000 to his Tunisian family days before attack
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So he had a picture of an ISIS flag in his computer and you equate that as being a member? Total weaksauce. Youve got nothing, as usual.
 
PoS said:
So he had a picture of an ISIS flag in his computer and you equate that as being a member? Total weaksauce. Youve got nothing, as usual.
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Are you more qualified than France's Interior Minister to determine what happened? Uh.......no.

The French interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, said the attacker "appears to have become radicalised very quickly"

Bastille Day terrorist was radicalised within months and sent £84,000 to his Tunisian family days before attack

Radicalized into what PoS?
 
truthatallcost said:
Are you more qualified than France's Interior Minister to determine what happened? Uh.......no.

The French interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, said the attacker "appears to have become radicalised very quickly"

Bastille Day terrorist was radicalised within months and sent £84,000 to his Tunisian family days before attack

Radicalized into what PoS?
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Seems you dont even read the links you post.

However, an intelligence source cautioned: “That could just be a coincidence, given the neighbourhood where he lived. Everyone knows everyone there.
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Still no concrete evidence.

We all know you hate Muslims, but just flat out lying to try and get your point across is very dishonest.
 
PoS said:
Seems you dont even read the links you post.


Still no concrete evidence.

We all know you hate Muslims, but just flat out lying to try and get your point across is very dishonest.
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What about the things he is not lying about? There is plenty of concrete evidence. These things have to be confronted not avoided.
 
PoS said:
Seems you dont even read the links you post.


Still no concrete evidence.

We all know you hate Muslims, but just flat out lying to try and get your point across is very dishonest.
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I'm done with you. Your name here is pretty accurate, that's about the only thing you've been honest about! :peace
 
coldjoint said:
What about the things he is not lying about? There is plenty of concrete evidence. These things have to be confronted not avoided.
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I shouldn't have bothered with that guy, CJ. At least many people here who disagree with me will be open minded enough to consider what I've written. PoS rewrites my linked articles to say what he wants them to say.
 
coldjoint said:
What about the things he is not lying about? There is plenty of concrete evidence. These things have to be confronted not avoided.
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There is no evidence. You and your prejudiced friends have yet to produce any.
 
PoS said:
There is no evidence. You and your prejudiced friends have yet to produce any.
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No evidence Islam inspires other attacks? I have plenty of evidence.
 
DA60 said:
I believe that anyone that would deliberately kill dozens of innocent civilians (including children) HAS to be insane...no matter what their 'cause' was.
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Lest we forget, about the troubles in Northern Ireland, from WikiPedia, here:
Casualties

Responsibility for Troubles-related deaths between 1969 and 2001

According to the Conflict Archive on the Internet (CAIN), 3,532 people were killed as a result of the conflict, from 1969–2001. Of these, 3,489 were killed from 1969–1998. According to the book Lost Lives (2006 edition), 3,720 people were killed as a result of the conflict, from 1966–2006. Of these, 3,635 were killed from 1969–1998. There are reports that 257 of the victims were children under the age of seventeen, representing 7.2% of all the total during this period.
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Are the Northern Irish (Catholic or Protestant) insane ?

Hatred breeds hatred of an identical kinds ...
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truthatallcost said:
" Two more arrested in Nice in connection with Bastille Day attack"
Two' 'more' 'arrested' 'in' 'Nice' 'in' 'connection' 'with' 'Bastille' 'Day' 'attack' '-' 'France' '24

This brings the total to 7 people who helped Bouhlel orchestrate the Nice Attack. Completely contradicts the reports of him being a loner and not connected to Islamic terror.
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From your own link:
The militant group called Bouhlel one of its soldiers, but authorities say they have yet to find evidence that the 31-year-old had any actual links to the militant group.
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As usual, you keep posting links that contradict your own bigoted views. Your debate skills are a joke.
 
PoS said:
From your own link:

As usual, you keep posting links that contradict your own bigoted views. Your debate skills are a joke.
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Random spree killers don't have 7 accomplices who end up getting charged with terrorism. Face it, the original narrative on this story has been blown to pieces.
 
Lafayette said:
Lest we forget, about the troubles in Northern Ireland, from WikiPedia, here:

Are the Northern Irish (Catholic or Protestant) insane ?

Hatred breeds hatred of an identical kinds ...
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That is only 600 more than were killed in one day on 9/11 by Islamists. And you have a date when it ended. Can you tell us when Islamic terror is going to end?
 
coldjoint said:
That is only 600 more than were killed in one day on 9/11 by Islamists. And you have a date when it ended. Can you tell us when Islamic terror is going to end?
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Islamic terror has been going on since the 8th century with a schism into two groups, Sunnites and Shiites. It will end when it will end.

Don't forget the hundred years' war in Europe (1337–1453) between Protestants and Catholics, when between 150K–460K died.

This is not the first religious war on earth.
 
Lafayette said:
Islamic terror has been going on since the 8th century with a schism into two groups, Sunnites and Shiites. It will end when it will end.

Don't forget the hundred years' war in Europe (1337–1453) between Protestants and Catholics, when between 150K–460K died.

This is not the first religious war on earth.
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It is the first one-sided one.
 
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