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That little matter of paying for access to the EU Single Market

Ireland cannot leave because it already left. And Scotland can leave if they want to, they have a right to self determination too.

Of course I was talking about Northern Ireland. And Scotland absolutely does have the right to self-determination. They can choose if they wish to leave being part of the fifth largest economy in the world to being 42cd. They have been having huge economic problems to begin with - being 42cd and subservient to the EU biggies is not going to help them with that.
 
Of course I was talking about Northern Ireland. And Scotland absolutely does have the right to self-determination. They can choose if they wish to leave being part of the fifth largest economy in the world to being 42cd. They have been having huge economic problems to begin with - being 42cd and subservient to the EU biggies is not going to help them with that.
Scotland, or Northern Ireland for that matter, may not have to choose between the EU and Great Britain. There appears to be a federal option for Scotland/NI that will allow them to enjoy the best of both worlds. Of course, there are many non economic reasons for Scottish/NI independence, but they do apparently have other possible options.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/27/scottish-labour-seeks-possibility-federal-uk-brexit-aftermath
 
Of course I was talking about Northern Ireland. And Scotland absolutely does have the right to self-determination. They can choose if they wish to leave being part of the fifth largest economy in the world to being 42cd. They have been having huge economic problems to begin with - being 42cd and subservient to the EU biggies is not going to help them with that.


I'd be interested where your estimate comes from but 42nd puts Scotland near Finland Ireland and Chile and not too far from Denmark. If you meant they would have the GDP of 42nd place but a population of some 30 million then you'd have a point. As it is, Scotland has a similar population to Finland and Denmark and they are doing OK.

42nd as a starting off position is pretty good.
 
I'd be interested where your estimate comes from but 42nd puts Scotland near Finland Ireland and Chile and not too far from Denmark. If you meant they would have the GDP of 42nd place but a population of some 30 million then you'd have a point. As it is, Scotland has a similar population to Finland and Denmark and they are doing OK.

42nd as a starting off position is pretty good.

I took a look at the economic ranking of the world's nations (that has the UK ranked as fifth). Looked up the GDP of Scotland, and by itself it ranks about 42cd. And the population of Scotland is reported to be 5.3 million.
 
I took a look at the economic ranking of the world's nations (that has the UK ranked as fifth). Looked up the GDP of Scotland, and by itself it ranks about 42cd. And the population of Scotland is reported to be 5.3 million.

erm........................................ that's the point I just made? Small population, 42nd largest economy.... oh just read my above and get back to me in the morning. Nite.
 
If the UK plays the EU right, they will no longer have to trigger article 50 in three or four years. The EU will be forced to make major changes to the structure and legal process to keep anti EU parties at bay. The EU people know this and are weeing their pants for fear that England is still a member, when these negotiations take place. Brexit has put these guys in a tight corner and they think they need to act swiftly. Nope. The Brits can play this without moving an inch.

This might be persuasive if there was someone leading Britain right now. Trying to play off political paralysis as some sort of canny diplomacy on the part of "Brexit" is reaching.


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This might be persuasive if there was someone leading Britain right now. Trying to play off political paralysis as some sort of canny diplomacy on the part of "Brexit" is reaching.


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Nobody was "playing off" anything; only describing the game structure of a situation that would require only very little of the oposit of paralysis or "canny diplomacy". Why even a lame duck could handle it, with Cameron’s experience.

But another thing. What disturbs you about this?
 
Nobody was "playing off" anything; only describing the game structure of a situation that would require only very little of the oposit of paralysis or "canny diplomacy". Why even a lame duck could handle it, with Cameron’s experience.

But another thing. What disturbs you about this?

Nothing disturbs me. I'm fairly confident an approximation of the status quo will remain.

In kind, what made you anthropomorphise the term Brexit? Who is the Baldrick with the cunning plan?
 
Nothing disturbs me. I'm fairly confident an approximation of the status quo will remain.

In kind, what made you anthropomorphise the term Brexit? Who is the Baldrick with the cunning plan?
Okay, that got coffee all over keyboard and monitor here. Hope yer happy.:2mad:

:mrgreen:
 
Nothing disturbs me. I'm fairly confident an approximation of the status quo will remain.

In kind, what made you anthropomorphise the term Brexit? Who is the Baldrick with the cunning plan?

- Which anthropomorphism?

- Which "cunning plan"? I did not really mention a "plan".
 
Neither would be anything but the smallest of EU nations with absolutely no pull against the bigger client states.

Scotland would be 20th of 28 EU member states by population. Northern Ireland would be 25th, bigger than Malta, Cyprus and Estonia, although if N. Ireland had the political wil to leave the UK, they would have the same political will to unite with the Republic, making Ireland 17th largest - bigger than Denmark and Finland.
 
Scotland would be 20th of 28 EU member states by population. Northern Ireland would be 25th, bigger than Malta, Cyprus and Estonia, although if N. Ireland had the political wil to leave the UK, they would have the same political will to unite with the Republic, making Ireland 17th largest - bigger than Denmark and Finland.

Hell no.. Denmark has to veto the reunification of Ireland.. omfgs, getting beat by the Irish is bad as.. no wait, it says Ireland, not Iceland.. my bad.
 
But that is not what the UK voted on. They wanted out of the EU to get rid of all those nasty Eastern Europeans and other nationalities that are unclean. So that means leaving the EU as fast as possible, kicking out all EU citizens and not getting any deal with the EU. THAT is what the Brexit camp ran on!

Oh yeah, and you're all put out about it. Good! :lol:
 
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