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Break up of United Kingdom a serious possibility.

Infinite Chaos said:
The source I had was from 2006, things may have changed since or before depending on when your information comes from.
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Was something I heard on the BBC the other night... not that it really matters that much.
 
They wont be able to share our currency this time though, I imagine any EU membership for Scotland would man they have to switch to the Euro.
 
Higgins86 said:
They wont be able to share our currency this time though, I imagine any EU membership for Scotland would man they have to switch to the Euro.
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You reckon that would stop them this time? I don't.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You reckon that would stop them this time? I don't.
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I think it could be enough to stop the middle class from voting to leave. If you are middle/upper middle class why would you gamble on the Euro?
 
Yeah, anyone thinking EU membership will actually impact any of these independence movements in any real manner is delusional. London will always provide more money to these nations than Brussels.
 
shrubnose said:
The USA has a lot of citizens whose ancestors came from Ireland (Over 10 % of the population according to the 2000 census.)

I doubt that anyone will be able to gin up much anti-Irish sentiment in the USA.

The USA helped the USSR a lot in WWII.

Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

:lol:
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Well, that's unfortunate if the enemy of your enemy is Adolph Hitler. Apparently that didn't stop the Irish Government from expressing their sympathies to the German embassy when Hitler took the coward's way out and put a Lugar in his mouth. But if you think that's OK, there's nothing I can say that would change your mind.
 
Tigerace117 said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality_during_World_War_II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality

Suuure they were :roll:

Do you honestly think the British or Americans would have allowed a pro Nazi state that close to the British mainland?
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Hardly the point. Why is it so difficult to accept the fact that there were widespread pro-Nazi sympathizers in Ireland? It's a simple fact, and all of the jolly feelings about the good ol' Irish doesn't change that fact.

By the way, being neutral in a war against nazisim is hardly something to be proud of.
 
jet57 said:
I think that Eire is going to have to step up into the the modern ear if they want a union to stick.
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You think getting rid of the IRA might be a good start?
 
Wiggen said:
Hardly the point. Why is it so difficult to accept the fact that there were widespread pro-Nazi sympathizers in Ireland? It's a simple fact, and all of the jolly feelings about the good ol' Irish doesn't change that fact.

By the way, being neutral in a war against nazisim is hardly something to be proud of.
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The US was neutral for much of the first part of the war against Nazism. We only started getting involved when we realized that England was losing, and losing badly.

Your attempts to portray the country as a Francoist Spain lite fall short given what actually went down.

And while we're on the topic of Nazi sympathizers.....Henry Ford? German American Bund and Kuhn?
 
Wiggen said:
You think getting rid of the IRA might be a good start?
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Good idea. While we're at it, let's get rid of the UVF and the Red Hand Commando.

If that ****ing psycho Lenny Murphy was still around I'd say let's toss him in jail to rot.

Oh wait---- it's only the Catholics who were terrorists :roll:
 
Wiggen said:
Yeah, and there's this thing in Northern Ireland about not wanting the Church to rule every facet of their lives.
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It was about power used in a ruthless manner- Complete discrimination of rights.
 
Wiggen said:
And then there's the thing about the number of Northern Ireland men that fought for the UK during two world wars. In the second one, you may remember, the Irish Republic ws full of Nazi sympathizers and they refused both the Brits and the Americans use of their airfields and ports to protect the convoys from America.

The IRA supported the Nazis in WW2
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They dd in Small way support the UK - check your history and do not ask me. I read your post to another member on his questions as to why NI was not part of the Irish Republic.
 
Wiggen said:
You think getting rid of the IRA might be a good start?
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(chuckle)

With Ulster merging into the republic and England officially being (like the song) GONE - GONE GONE they'll be out and there's no need for the IRA. But Sinn Féin will be around having a whiskey!!
 
PeteEU said:
Was something I heard on the BBC the other night... not that it really matters that much.
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So, over 2 million have called for a new referendum, and Parliament has to debate the issue.

What do you think will come of it?
 
Wiggen said:
Well, that's unfortunate if the enemy of your enemy is Adolph Hitler. Apparently
that didn't stop the Irish Government from expressing their sympathies to the German embassy when Hitler took the coward's way out and put a Lugar in his mouth.
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 But if you think that's OK, there's nothing I can say that would change your mind.
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Hitler's suicide has never bothered me.

If it bothers you I guess you could send regrets to his family.

It's all up to you.
 
The last resort of the "Remains" crowd and their Euro-raped masochistic controllers is to incite inter-cultural animosity as a counter-incentive/offensive for telling them to piss off.

Don't let them.

Just think: "Our problems are our own."
 
History man! Hi... story. We have a block.

If I were to migrate to anyother country I would actually add something of value to that culture.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, that's unfortunate if the enemy of your enemy is Adolph Hitler. Apparently that didn't stop the Irish Government from expressing their sympathies to the German embassy when Hitler took the coward's way out and put a Lugar in his mouth. But if you think that's OK, there's nothing I can say that would change your mind.
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It's called diplomacy dude. Neutral powers did it.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
No surprise there..



Too early for that to happen yet.



There'll be cheap travel to Europe.

You raise something else though - historically our largest immigrant population is the Irish. They will be the "canary" of what is left of our economy. If they keep coming in large numbers we're doing OK. If we start heading there for work, we're in the sh*t..
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The largest immigrant population in Ireland is British so...


Edit: actually checked figures again. Poles came top in 2011.
 
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jet57 said:
I think that Eire is going to have to step up into the the modern ear if they want a union to stick.
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It's the other way around. Abortion isn't any more legal in NI. Plus they're behind on gay rights too.

Northern Ireland is a lot more conservative than the Republic - go listen to Rev Paisley to get an idea of their version of Christianity.


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Labour Party implodes.. so the two major parties in the UK are now in total civil war, while the the country is falling apart around them.

Europe demands they get started on the divorce. France wants to move the Calais border back to the UK asap..

Scotland is pushing forward with a new referendum.

Northern Ireland is seriously thinking about changes and fears going back to a closed border to Ireland.

Even Gibraltar is thinking of leaving the UK some how to stay part of the EU... which is.. wow.

No one is running the country and it is falling apart.
 
PeteEU said:
~ Scotland is pushing forward ~
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No, watch here: 27:05 to 37:05

BBC iPlayer - The Andrew Marr Show - 26/06/2016

The whole tenet of her position is that Scotland is IN the EU and she wants to see (as Article 50 makes no clear promises on having to leave to re-enter) a separate Scottish negotiation to see if Scotland can position itself as being in the EU and not having to be dragged out to have to apply.

My feeling is in the 2 years of Article 50, the Scottish negotiations will run separately from those of Westminster. Then, the question would be "do you want to stay in the EU" rather than "do you want to leave the UK" and then she would formalise the process of leaving the Union through a referendum.
 
Some points to considerT
PeteEU said:
~............................Europe demands they get started on the divorce.
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Other than in divorces as we know them, we have here a case where only one partner can file. As long as s/he doesn't do that, there's no divorce initiated and thus the marriage remains. In this case Europe can clamour as much as it likes, the decision of when to invoke article 50 lies with Britain. Repercusions of whatever nature on the financial market notwithstanding.
France wants to move the Calais border back to the UK asap..
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......which would necessitate that France cancel the agreement with Britain. Invoking the EU (and the Brexit from it) on this issue lies neither within France's nor within Britain's possibilities, the EU has nothing to do with this just as it never did.
Scotland is pushing forward with a new referendum.
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The outcome of which, should it proceed, is far from already settled. Where the thin margin remain-in-the-UK result of last time was triggered to a considerable extent by the desire to retain EU membership via London, that condition has now been changed (Scotland not getting what it voted for). OTH the trepidations wrt future uncertainty over how long it would take to gain (for the first time) EU membership via independent application are not off the table now. It's doubtful that the EU, alone by its natural sluggishness of process, would be even able to incorporate Scotland overnight if it wanted to.

But yeah, an issue for England nevertheless.
Northern Ireland is seriously thinking about changes and fears going back to a closed border to Ireland.
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Brexit screwed up (or certainly will) things for people there, sure enough. What needs remembering though is that it's Sinn Feinn that's calling for a leave-UK move and Sinn Feinn far from represents all of N. Ireland. The current set-up (now endangered) of free passage of goods and people and no border control pleases (pleased) everyone but that its abolishment would push indispensable Protestant support for what must ultimately (by Sinn Feinn ideology) be coming under Dublin rule may at least be questioned.
Even Gibraltar is thinking of leaving the UK some how to stay part of the EU... which is.. wow.
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Gib leaving UK to become independent EU member has as much chances of success as a snowball in Hades. In fact hell will freeze over on the day that alone Spain ever agrees to its EU entry. Spain wants it back and always will do and is already calling for joint governance with the end goal of re-integrating it into Madrid rule. The Gibraltarians will cling even closer to England alone on finding protection. Fear of (and hate for) Spanish rule cancels everything else out, even the probably ensuing financial and economic meltdown that isolation will bring.

It's most tenable avenue is hoping for a UK-EU deal that is governed by prudence on both sides and allows for free movement of people and goods (among other things).

Which may be long in coming, seeing how:
No one is running the country
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well, not at the moment
and it is falling apart.
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so far it isn't and if it does, we'll have to wait and see what the extent will be.
 
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