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Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain First!"

Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

Quite simple. Please note you're the only poster having difficulty. My point was that my interlocutor was expounding on a topic he could not have known.

On the contrary, it seems you are incapable of understanding that you were engaged in ad hominem.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

The ONLY reason markets are down right now is that the bettors were betting upon Remain. Had they been betting on Leave the markets would be up big time right now. This should highlight the absolute foolishness of putting our financial future in the hands of gamblers out for themselves alone.

Look, a number of folks, on both sides of the pond, have declared themselves elite. They so believe they are above the "common man" that they have ceased listening to those they govern. This is a coming to God moment for those elites. And they will ensure the people suffer for handing them this lesson.

Decades ago the leaders of the US and the UK decided we should all globalize. In the US at least it was always in direct opposition to the will of the people. People are finally reacting to decades of their government doing the polar opposite of what they are elected to do.

Greetings, clownboy. :2wave:

Very well said on every point you made! :thumbs: One thing people seem to be forgetting here is that the majority of voters said yes to leaving! They're going to live with their decision as a sovereign country, and I'm frankly disgusted that some on here are wishing gloom and doom for them! Are we that superior to the rest of humanity that if any disagree with what we think they should do, they're automatically wrong? Really? :bs:

I wish the best for them, since they are a long time ally of ours, something some here seem to have forgotten! :thumbdown:
 
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Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

On the contrary, it seems you are incapable of understanding that you were engaged in ad hominem.

Oh, it was an ad hominem, and purposely so.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

That wasn't what i said.

Or do you think the typical right winger is an intellectual ...?

What you said: "Um, no, the intellectuals do not share the same critical thinking methodologies as right wingers." I replied: "You seem to believe that there are no conservative intellectuals. I can't imagine why." Do we really need to discuss what "the" means in "the intellectuals"?

Because if we don't, I'd really like to know what your definition of "intellectuals" is. What is it?

And by "typical" right-wingers, do you mean ordinary people you call "right-wingers"? This is why your definition matters--are "intellectuals" generally considered "ordinary" or "average" folks?
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

What you said: "Um, no, the intellectuals do not share the same critical thinking methodologies as right wingers." I replied: "You seem to believe that there are no conservative intellectuals. I can't imagine why." Do we really need to discuss what "the" means in "the intellectuals"?

Because if we don't, I'd really like to know what your definition of "intellectuals" is. What is it?

And by "typical" right-wingers, do you mean ordinary people you call "right-wingers"? This is why your definition matters--are "intellectuals" generally considered "ordinary" or "average" folks?

When i'm speaking in generalities, i am not necessarily ruling out the possibilities of exceptions.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

When you make a universal statement, expect others to read it as a universal statement. Otherwise, qualify the statement.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

Do you think the typical leftwinger is an intellectual?

No, but it seems obvious that the typical intellectual leans left which seems to be the source of this anti-intellectual prejudice.

You are dodging my question about Condoleeza Rice.

I don't care about Condoleeza Rice, i've never met her.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

When you make a universal statement, expect others to read it as a universal statement. Otherwise, qualify the statement.

Okay, that OR you could look at the context.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

Because they lie to get elected. It's why politicians are a class despised by most sane people. It's why many will vote for Donald Trump, although they despise the man, but they abhor Hillary Clinton more.

You forget that many in politics view it as a career - many view decades in office as some form of asset. Of course these teat suckers will prefer government over non government - it's their life's blood. They are a necessary evil of democracy.

I am afraid that goes for politicians on the right as well.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

I am afraid that goes for politicians on the right as well.

Politicians have no other way to operate because we cannot grow up enough to accept truth, so they lie to us and tell us it's the bogeyman or it's manna.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

I am afraid that goes for politicians on the right as well.

Those are the politicians I was talking about. Writing that liberal politicians are teat sucking, lying, corrupt leeches would a waste of energy and pretty redundant.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

What you apparently have not yet worked out is that there are more liberals then conservatives in the UK. A sizable chunk of those "Leave" votes had to have come from liberals. And what those of you on the left apparently have not yet worked out is that the leave movement in the UK was over more or less the same issues that are driving the populist anti-establishment move in the US. You may be in for a big shock in November.

:lamo

Dude. You really can't accept any explanation for Brexit other than what's officially approved by the right-wing echo chamber, can you?

It started about trade...but it wound up being more about immigration than any other single factor. Turns out there's a LOT of people (mostly blue-collar whites without little or no college) worried about the "browning" of their nation...and Britain's a LOT whiter than America.

But we'll see you in November - can't wait to see how y'all are going to try to spin Hillary's landslide....
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

If you knew anything about how markets worked you'd realize how chicken little that sounds.

401(k)s are long term investments, if you are fixated on weekly or monthly results with your 401(k) you're doing it wrong. you need to look at yearly averages over decades. The only people who will get hurt by this market are those who sell. no one gets hurt on the roller coaster except the one who jumps off.

I'm not worried in the least how my 401 k is performing this week because I am financially literate.

FYI, I'm well aware of the need to not pay too much attention to daily crap when it comes to investments...but I also know that when a 401K's just lost $2700 or more in one day, then that loss has not only wiped out most of a year's gains in interest, but the effect of that loss continues with every year that follows...so, yeah, Brexit DID hurt your 401K. I strongly agree that you must keep your 401K, that you must not sell it or withdraw it...but Brexit did hurt your 401K.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

FYI, I'm well aware of the need to not pay too much attention to daily crap when it comes to investments...but I also know that when a 401K's just lost $2700 or more in one day, then that loss has not only wiped out most of a year's gains in interest, but the effect of that loss continues with every year that follows...so, yeah, Brexit DID hurt your 401K. I strongly agree that you must keep your 401K, that you must not sell it or withdraw it...but Brexit did hurt your 401K.

An interesting analysis
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-main_wv-globalization-335am:homepage/story
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Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

A fascinating take.

Excepting UKIP, the Brexit leaders have gone to ground.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

FYI, I'm well aware of the need to not pay too much attention to daily crap when it comes to investments...but I also know that when a 401K's just lost $2700 or more in one day, then that loss has not only wiped out most of a year's gains in interest, but the effect of that loss continues with every year that follows...so, yeah, Brexit DID hurt your 401K. I strongly agree that you must keep your 401K, that you must not sell it or withdraw it...but Brexit did hurt your 401K.

I'm not even concerned about annual returns, I'm looking at 5 year break downs.

Plus I only just started a few months ago, so I'll be putting a pretty good seed in during the Dow market, and will gain faster when it goes back up.

Nonetheless, I'm not at all worried about brexits effect on my retirement. I'll hunt down the Forbes article, but they did an article many years ago in which a hypothetical unluckiest investor in the world invested $180,000 in the stock market spread. A monks four days before the four largest crashes in Wall Street history since 1970, and his investment still made him 1,000,000 1/2 dollars.

The British market will not be down forever, once all the stupid daytraders get burned the market will go right back up. There is literally no reason businesswise to feel brexit and not only that but it won't even occur for two years. This is purely an emotion driven phenomenon and not a reality-based one
 
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Mr Hays, do you recall my rubbishing the Wills article you seemed to stand by on another thread? Some of us on the pre referendum thread have been suggesting the consequences of Brexit for a while now and yet you seemed to feel Wills knew something we didn't.

Brexit will be a disaster unless there is a leader who can meld the country together and look the EU in the eye and walk away to develop exports elsewhere. If we wish to export to the EU single market, there is a cost which nullifies all the talk of "independence day" and "rule Britannia" etc I've been reading online and on this forum.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

Mr Hays, do you recall my rubbishing the Wills article you seemed to stand by on another thread? Some of us on the pre referendum thread have been suggesting the consequences of Brexit for a while now and yet you seemed to feel Wills knew something we didn't.

Brexit will be a disaster unless there is a leader who can meld the country together and look the EU in the eye and walk away to develop exports elsewhere. If we wish to export to the EU single market, there is a cost which nullifies all the talk of "independence day" and "rule Britannia" etc I've been reading online and on this forum.

It's Will, not Wills, and I've been careful to post on both sides of Brexit because it doesn't affect me the way it does others.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

Not sure I'd make too much of that yet.

Not yet, but as things start to gel we may see more of this.
As the vote was close, could have a free vote in Parliament.
My opinion, many on the leave side thought that there would be no to little change.
Off topic but.....
We had the same attitude in Quebec's 96 referendum.
Separatists believed that Fed jobs would remain, that Canadian passports would still be valid,that they were automatically part of NAFTA, that borders would remain the same. All wrong.
96 % of First Nations in Quebec voted against leaving Canada. If you check old maps, Northern Quebec was part of Canada and lands transferred to Quebec later.
That would not happen as the ROC (Rest of Canada) would not tolerate that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_Canada
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

It's Will, not Wills, and I've been careful to post on both sides of Brexit because it doesn't affect me the way it does others.

Whatever his name is, the "rule Britannia" "won our freedom" etc in his take on the debacle is completely off mark.
 
Re: Idiots! The UK's right wing burns down the world's economy because "Britain Firs

Not yet, but as things start to gel we may see more of this.
As the vote was close, could have a free vote in Parliament.
My opinion, many on the leave side thought that there would be no to little change.
Off topic but.....
We had the same attitude in Quebec's 96 referendum.
Separatists believed that Fed jobs would remain, that Canadian passports would still be valid,that they were automatically part of NAFTA, that borders would remain the same. All wrong.
96 % of First Nations in Quebec voted against leaving Canada. If you check old maps, Northern Quebec was part of Canada and lands transferred to Quebec later.
That would not happen as the ROC (Rest of Canada) would not tolerate that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_Canada



An I suspect, like Quebec, there are considerable numbers who voted merely to send a message.
 
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