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Austrian government in shock as far-right triumps...

Carjosse said:
Well the areas that Muslims tend to to settle in large numbers are lower-income areas, because they are low-income. They settle where they do because of their income and people do tend to congregate around people of their culture and ethnicity, it is not unique to Muslims. All singling out Muslims will do is serve to drive them further from society and only cause more extremism.

Report: refugees have not increased crime rate in Germany
Police: refugees commit less crime than Germans
Straftaten "im sehr niedrigen sechsstelligen Bereich"

It also includes all refugees, not just Middle Eastern but also those form the Balkans that have similar rates as those from Iraq and Syria.
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From your first link:
"It's becoming clear that at bottom there is a higher absolute number of criminal cases only because of the increase in number of people living here with the arrival of the refugees," de Maizière said.

"The majority (of refugees) do not come here with the intention of committing crimes. They come to Germany to find protection and peace." "It's becoming clear that at bottom there is a higher absolute number of criminal cases only because of the increase in number of people living here with the arrival of the refugees," de Maizière said.
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Do you see that? The more people are refugess. Your other link says crime is rising steadily
The documents note that while the number of refugees in the country has risen sharply throughout 2015, the crime rate has not gone up correspondingly, but has "merely risen steadily".
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All that says is refugees are here, and with them the crime rate is rising. That is a bunch of poo that you need desperately believe for God knows what reason.
 
coldjoint said:
From your first link:

Do you see that? The more people are refugess. Your other link says crime is rising steadily

All that says is refugees are here, and with them the crime rate is rising. That is a bunch of poo that you need desperately believe for God knows what reason.
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It also says that a a lot of the crime can be contributed to the overcrowded conditions of refugee arrival points. The refugees commit crimes at the same rate as native Germans, I do not not see the problem.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Shocker :roll:



Muslims are actually a pretty small minority in Europe overall, media sensationalism and the European Unions failure to act in a unified fashion to deal with the problem lead to images of thousands of refugees walking through Europe in huge clumps, leading to fear and divisive conduct on the part of many European countries



Oh PALEASE!

Muslims make up barely 3 or 4 percent of the population of the European Union.

This fear, is entirely overblown and overhyped.

This rush to the extreme right is like thinking that the way to solve the problem of your house on fire, is to set the entire neighborhood on fire.
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That estimation of 3 to 4 percent (3.8 ) was 6 years ago. As to Belgium it was about 6% at that time overall but some of the bigger cities.. Antwerp 16.9% Brussels 25.5% and again that was 6 years ago or so.
 
Carjosse said:
It also says that a a lot of the crime can be contributed to the overcrowded conditions of refugee arrival points. The refugees commit crimes at the same rate as native Germans, I do not not see the problem.
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You don't see very good.
 
SocialD said:
That estimation of 3 to 4 percent (3.8 ) was 6 years ago. As to Belgium it was about 6% at that time overall but some of the bigger cities.. Antwerp 16.9% Brussels 25.5% and again that was 6 years ago or so.
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As of 2012 it was ~5% for Belgium. Largely Moroccan and Turkish and highly concentrated in Brussels.
 
Carjosse said:
As of 2012 it was ~5% for Belgium. Largely Moroccan and Turkish and highly concentrated in Brussels.
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Well my point was mostly that the metro areas are obviously much higher.. Brussels , where the recent attack was has a pretty high population of muslim people.
 
SocialD said:
Well my point was mostly that the metro areas are obviously much higher.. Brussels , where the recent attack was has a pretty high population of muslim people.
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Yes it does but Muslims are still a relatively small minority, Catholics still make a large majority of the population, even in Brussels.
 
Carjosse said:
Yes it does but Muslims are still a relatively small minority, Catholics still make a large majority of the population, even in Brussels.
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Brussels 25.5% and again that was 6 years ago or so.
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25% is not a small minority. Not even relatively. And the Catholics are killing who?
 
Carjosse said:
Yes it does but Muslims are still a relatively small minority, Catholics still make a large majority of the population, even in Brussels.
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still 25+ % in Brussels is a pretty significant amount.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Shocker :roll:

Muslims are actually a pretty small minority in Europe overall, media sensationalism and the European Unions failure to act in a unified fashion to deal with the problem lead to images of thousands of refugees walking through Europe in huge clumps, leading to fear and divisive conduct on the part of many European countries

Oh PALEASE!

Muslims make up barely 3 or 4 percent of the population of the European Union.

This fear, is entirely overblown and overhyped.

This rush to the extreme right is like thinking that the way to solve the problem of your house on fire, is to set the entire neighborhood on fire.
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Absolute BS! The Muslim hoard is ruining cities and whole countries.
In southern Italy they are being overrun. And the people in So. Italy are of modest means and the stupid socialist govt. is giving each Muslim $35 a day, a daily meal and a sim card for a free phone....all the while many Italians can barely make ends meet. Total, irrefutable, BS!

Carjosse said:
It is not like Austria has ever had a problem with far-right leaders before, oh wait.
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Your one example, is of a madman....overblown BS rhetoric!

Apocalypse said:
Extremism breeds extremism obviously.
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And liberalism breeds more liberalism....and it's time to stop it!

coldjoint said:
Tell that to the families of the Paris and Brussels victims. Muslims refuse to assimilate. Their culture is the intolerant one. It is past time for elected leaders to deal with the huge problem. People are fed up.
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No ****! :thumbs::thumbs:
 
Jetboogieman said:
Do you have a solution to the Muslim question?

Exactly how far are you willing to go to "Solve the Problem".

You'd hand the keys to extremists who could do more damage to the country than Islamic Terrorists could ever dream of doing, and the thing is, that's their goal, their goal is to force the us to overreact, force us to alienate Muslims, force us to change our way of life, they've succeeded and it's because of fearful people, silent in the face of government intrusion into our privacy as an example.

The terrorists are winning because we are so fearful we would turn to madmen to "Solve the problem".

Just look at those that would cheer Trump for his stance on Muslims... :shrug:

coldjoint, you and people like you, with your attitudes, are part of the problem, not the solution.
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Three Cheers for Trump! Stop the Muslims, stop the illegals!!!

Far right to me, doesn't mean extremists.......it's means an end to liberal, socialist crap! The use of logic instead of silly emotions!
 
Roadvirus said:
I wonder what's causing that!

Could it be the crime spikes due to the "refugees"?
Nah....couldn't be. They're just poor widows and orphans!
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The widows and orphans are left behind.....most refugees are younger, able bodied men, capable of jihad!

Roadvirus said:
Out of fear? So all those rapes and terrorist attacks are just figments of everyone's imagination?

Maybe if the donkeys who call themselves "leaders" wouldn't import these "poor refugees" en masse, people wouldn't be seeking shelter with the Far Right "extremists".
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:applaud:applaud

coldjoint said:
You are trying to transfer the blame. Europeans did not ask for terror. I guess you consider that a perk.

As far as being part of the problem I suggest you won't admit what the problem is. And if you did, you will still appease the intolerant Muslims while looking over the rainbow hoping for a miracle, that isn't going to happen.
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Right On bro!

reinoe said:
These elected European leaders don't live next to refugees. They live in Crystal Spires surrounded by gates and therefore don't have to live next to the Muslim refugees they're inviting into the countryside. It's easy for them to pretend it doesn't affect the country since they don't have to confront the day to day grind that the average citizen faces.
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Just like obama and his regime...protected by SS, live in nice protected housing and don't have to deal with scum, like the people in southern border states!

Carjosse said:
The migrants commit crime at the same rate as native born Germans. All alienating Muslims will do is breed more extremism.
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BULL...****ING....CRAP!
 
MickeyW said:
Your one example, is of a madman....overblown BS rhetoric!
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That is exactly the kind of thinking that is re-emerging. What do you want to do with the the migrants? Put them in camps? You can't send them back and you do not want to spread them around.
 
Carjosse said:
That is exactly the kind of thinking that is re-emerging. What do you want to do with the the migrants? Put them in camps? You can't send them back and you do not want to spread them around.
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What do you think will come of this (being a fellow left-leaning member)? Do you think we'll start seeing a trend of far-right factions take over? GOD FORBID the Bulgarian 'Attack' Party, or the Greek 'Golden Dawn' organization seize power in either of their respective countries. Greece is also one of the more heavily-armed countries in Europe, at least in the South.
 
MickeyW said:
Absolute BS! The Muslim hoard is ruining cities and whole countries.
In southern Italy they are being overrun. And the people in So. Italy are of modest means and the stupid socialist govt. is giving each Muslim $35 a day, a daily meal and a sim card for a free phone....all the while many Italians can barely make ends meet. Total, irrefutable, BS!


Your one example, is of a madman....overblown BS rhetoric!



And liberalism breeds more liberalism....and it's time to stop it!



No ****! :thumbs::thumbs:
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*open mouth*

Thank you very much!!! I live here and did not know anything of that! Must be our lying lefty EU scum of politicians who prohibited everyone to tell us!!
 
Moon said:
What's extremist about this person?
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A far-right party is an extreme-right party. Islamic extremism and the issues evolving from it in Europe has obviously caused a significant shift to the right which led to stronger far-right parties which led to the story in the OP. It's quite simple.
 
What makes me really afraid and wondering: this guy seems to support the idea of a "great Germany" including Austria, parts of Poland and Tschechoslovakia...

How could they vote for him? He has the opinion his own fellow Austrians are no People :shock: , but only part of the german People...

We´ve been there and did that long time ago....
 
Jetboogieman said:
The Europeans who would turn to the extremist right out of fear would be burning the house down to save it...

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It is less imagined fear than the reaction to real dysfunction of the EU and the national political elites. The Europeans started down the Dark Path decades ago and are now reaping the rewards of lies, covered up illegalities and slop shod political workmanship building the EU.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
What do you think will come of this (being a fellow left-leaning member)? Do you think we'll start seeing a trend of far-right factions take over? GOD FORBID the Bulgarian 'Attack' Party, or the Greek 'Golden Dawn' organization seize power in either of their respective countries. Greece is also one of the more heavily-armed countries in Europe, at least in the South.
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It will lead to increased violence against migrants and policies that specifically discriminate against them. In the rest of Western Europe the far-right parties despite polling very well do not actually win because until election day all we hear is these far-right voices.
 
joG said:
It is less imagined fear than the reaction to real dysfunction of the EU and the national political elites. The Europeans started down the Dark Path decades ago and are now reaping the rewards of lies, covered up illegalities and slop shod political workmanship building the EU.
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Absolutely!
 
Abbazorkzog said:
What do you think will come of this (being a fellow left-leaning member)? Do you think we'll start seeing a trend of far-right factions take over? GOD FORBID the Bulgarian 'Attack' Party, or the Greek 'Golden Dawn' organization seize power in either of their respective countries. Greece is also one of the more heavily-armed countries in Europe, at least in the South.
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Are you flaunting your....WOOD?
 
Carjosse said:
It will lead to increased violence against migrants and policies that specifically discriminate against them. In the rest of Western Europe the far-right parties despite polling very well do not actually win because until election day all we hear is these far-right voices.
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Any response these days, apart from acquiescing to unlimited islamic immigration and the subsequent social problems, is "Far-right". This is as far as the leftists can go in solving the crisis facing Europe and why they will be ignored and out of the picture.

The Norwegians are trying a different plan. Norway 'paying' asylum seekers to return home as refugee crisis continues | Europe | News | The Independent
 
Grant said:
Any response these days, apart from acquiescing to unlimited islamic immigration and the subsequent social problems, is "Far-right". This is as far as the leftists can go in solving the crisis facing Europe and why they will be ignored and out of the picture.

The Norwegians are trying a different plan. Norway 'paying' asylum seekers to return home as refugee crisis continues | Europe | News | The Independent
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Why on earth don't you just simply own your political leaning and be done with it?

This incessant apologism is as totally unnecessary as it is unsuccessful.
 
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