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UK warns gay travellers about US anti-LGBT laws

Henrin said:
Yeah, in some states gays can't sue due to the fact that the government in those areas hasn't provided them servants.

Oh and yeah, the bathroom business, which of course isn't even a right to begin with.

In other news, looks like some places in the world are still killing people for being gay.
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Yes, but those places (where the kill gays) are usually not found in the US.

And bathroom use may not be a right, but banning someone who is transgender is morally reprehensible. Something that Ted Cruz and his disgusting video's are proving quite handsomely. Lying Ted is making it sound like the transgender woman who is using her private stall in a bathroom is just in there to pounce on innocent little children so that they can be raped and molested. Lying Ted is proving again he is unfit to be even viewed as a sensible human being.
 
chromium said:
yes because those come anywhere near representing most of the US and anyway, some major gay publications and tourist sites disagree with us both, but none that i see have american cities at the top:

lonelyplanet: 1) copenhagen, 2) toronto....8) nyc
advocate: 1) stockholm, 2) toronto...none american in top 10
gaycities.com: 1) tel aviv, 2) toronto
gaytravel.com: 1) barcelona, 2) cape town
pridelife.com: toronto, copenhagen, berlin
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huh, that surprises me - here in Germany everybody would say Cologne and not Berlin
 
Cardinal said:
No, you clearly did not go through the travel advisories. If you did, then you'd know that gays weren't singled out. Everybody who might encounter an issue in the country of their destination is included. If they're not included, it means that that particular demographic is not going to encounter any meaningful problem when traveling to the US. There are going to be very few demographics listed in a travel advisory warning from the UK to its citizens traveling to the United States because American and UK laws and customs are, are on a global scale relatively identical. In order to understand this better you really do need to go to the UK's travel advisory warnings regarding a country whose laws are radically different. We'll go with everybody's favorite example: Saudi Arabia. Here's who needs to be super careful while traveling there from the UK:

1)smokers
2)drinkers
3)gays (already covered)
4)people who think they can dress as they normally do in the UK
5)female drivers
6)drug smugglers (not cool anywhere, but SA takes a particularly, er...final...approach to this crime).
7)users of prescription drugs
8)photographers
9)Non Muslims (don't practice your non-Islam in public -- super bad idea)
10)Consumers of any level of porn (an Elle magazine would qualify)
11)People with two passports

So if you truly had gone through UK's travel advisories, you would know that gays were hardly singled out.
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I never argued the UK singled out gays.. nor did I say that was the only warning they gave.( they simply failed ot warn against that which has a higher probability of causing them actual harm.)

next time argue against what i say instead of building strawmen.
 
Thrilla said:
I never argued the UK singled out gays.. nor did I say that was the only warning they gave.( they simply failed ot warn against that which has a higher probability of causing them actual harm.)

next time argue against what i say instead of building strawmen.
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Thrilla said:
as ot the topic, the warning is correct, but rather silly.
attitudes towards everybody change depending on where you at.... doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, male, female, white, minority.. whatever.... everybody will face acceptance in most places, ny most people... but disdain in other places and by other people.
they might as well said " doesn't matter what or who you are, most people will treat you good, some will be assholes".. for some reason, they decided to single out gays.
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:coffeepap
 
Thrilla said:
my apologies.... indeed I did argue they singled out gays.

though in my defense, i wasn't arguing about Saudi Arabia... only the US.
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Correct, and there is a very practical reason for this: American and UK laws/customs are so similar versus UK and Saudi Arabia, that there aren't going to be numerous differences that will especially surprise a UK traveler. An lgbt traveler might be "surprised" traveling throughout the United States insofar as that anti-discrimination laws that include lgbts were codified throughout all of the UK in the 2010 Equality Act.
 
Cardinal said:
Correct, and there is a very practical reason for this: American and UK laws/customs are so similar versus UK and Saudi Arabia, that there aren't going to be numerous differences that will especially surprise a UK traveler. An lgbt traveler might be "surprised" traveling throughout the United States insofar as that anti-discrimination laws that include lgbts were codified throughout all of the UK in the 2010 Equality Act.
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and my argument is that it's a silly warning.
UK tourists have a much better chance of being mugged, robbed, or assaulted in the city than effected, at all, by any LGBT discrimination, anywhere in the US.
 
Thrilla said:
and my argument is that it's a silly warning.
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That's not an argument, it's an opinion. And an irrelevant one at that because the UK's travel advisory is factually true. If it seems unnecessary to you, then perhaps it's because the travel advisory simply doesn't apply to you.

Thrilla said:
UK tourists have a much better chance of being mugged, robbed, or assaulted in the city than effected, at all, by any LGBT discrimination, anywhere in the US.
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UK citizens have higher crime in their cities as well. Telling them that there are higher concentrations of crime in our cities would be like warning them that parts of the United States receive higher amounts of rain: rain is kind of what they're used to.
 
Higgins86 said:
UK warns gay travellers about US anti-LGBT laws - BBC News


Interesting move but one that I support.

"The US is an extremely diverse society and attitudes toward LGBT people differ hugely across the country," a travel advisory from the UK reads.


It's crazy the difference between US states and it's something anyone travelling to the US should be aware of.
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What's crazy is accepting LGBT as normal! and.......allowing a small % of the population, to bully the majority!
 
Cardinal said:
That's not an argument, it's an opinion. And an irrelevant one at that because the UK's travel advisory is factually true. If it seems unnecessary to you, then perhaps it's because the travel advisory simply doesn't apply to you.
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of course it doesn't apply ot me.. i'm not a UK citizen

and yes, i did already say it's accurate ( but silly)


UK citizens have higher crime in their cities as well. Telling them that there are higher concentrations of crime in our cities would be like warning them that parts of the United States receive higher amounts of rain: rain is kind of what they're used to.
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ok then, so you're in favor of warning them about **** that won't affect them , but being silent on the matters they'll have a higher probability of facing... gotcha.
 
Thrilla said:
of course it doesn't apply ot me.. i'm not a UK citizen

and yes, i did already say it's accurate ( but silly)



ok then, so you're in favor of warning them about **** that won't affect them , but being silent on the matters they'll have a higher probability of facing... gotcha.
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Again, travel advisories are for UK citizens and what they might encounter abroad that is different to what they experience at home. They are familiar with inner city crime. They may not necessarily expect lgbt discrimination because that is illegal there.

This seems like a very simple distinction to me and I'm not clear on where you're getting confused.
 
MickeyW said:
What's crazy is accepting LGBT as normal! and.......allowing a small % of the population, to bully the majority!
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One year from now you'll be required by law to gay marry. Deal with it.
 
Cardinal said:
Again, travel advisories are for UK citizens and what they might encounter abroad that is different to what they experience at home. They are familiar with inner city crime. They may not necessarily expect lgbt discrimination because that is illegal there.
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and again, it's not likely to effect them in any manner.

This seems like a very simple distinction to me and I'm not clear on where you're getting confused.
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yes, because obvious offering a different perspective means one is confused. :roll:.. grow up.
 
Thrilla said:
and again, it's not likely to effect them in any manner.

yes, because obvious offering a different perspective means one is confused. :roll:.. grow up.
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You're not offering a different perspective, you're just repeatedly demonstrating that you don't understand the topic you jumped into. You made a faulty comparison between a danger/inconvenience that would be unique to a visiting UK tourist to one that would be commonplace and well understood by that tourist. And based on your misunderstanding, you deemed the advisory to be "silly." You obviously didn't read through the travel advisories to get a feel for what kind of information the UK gov site was providing and why, which means that the obviously alarmist BBC article found its target audience: you.
 
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