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UK warns gay travellers about US anti-LGBT laws

Blah, blah, blah.

"America is a ****hole and everywhere else is paradise!"

I'm sick and tired of all these holier than thou clowns telling everyone how bad we all are.
 
cpwill said:
In general. You aren't harmed by an inability to forcibly take other people's stuff.
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You said the laws were "benign." And that's absolutely true if you're not gay because you won't find yourself turned away for your sexual orientation. So yes, to you, the laws are entirely benign. Likewise, euthanasia against stray animals is benign to me because I'm not an animal.
 
Cardinal said:
Talk about a slow news day. Pointing out that attitudes about lgbt's in the US is "diverse" can barely constitute as a warning. At worst it can be called a "friendly reminder." Here's what a warning looks like, on the UK's page on Saudi Arabia:

"Homosexual acts and adultery are illegal and can be subject to severe sanctions. "

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/saudi-arabia/local-laws-and-customs

Or Nigeria...

"Homosexuality is generally viewed as unacceptable in Nigeria. The ‘Same Sex Marriage Prohibition Bill’ allows lengthy prison sentences for those entering into a same sex marriage, those witnessing, aiding or abetting a same sex marriage, the operation and support to gay clubs, societies and organisations and the public display of same sex relationships."

Or Uganda...

"Homosexual activity is illegal and not tolerated in Uganda’s conservative society. Public displays of homosexuality like kissing in public places could lead to arrest and imprisonment. An Anti-Homosexuality Act was signed into law in early 2014 which increased penalties and created new criminal offences. However it was overturned a few months later."

I'd say the UK's travel advisory regarding the US, when looked at in perspective, is perfectly reasonable.
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Uganda, Nigeria and Saudi. The fact that the US can even be looked at in the same light is the reason this is news.
 
Lutherf said:
Blah, blah, blah.

"America is a ****hole and everywhere else is paradise!"

I'm sick and tired of all these holier than thou clowns telling everyone how bad we all are.
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See post #13.
 
Lutherf said:
Blah, blah, blah.

"America is a ****hole and everywhere else is paradise!"

I'm sick and tired of all these holier than thou clowns telling everyone how bad we all are.
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I remember when Uganda was passing their crazy anti-gay laws, and they told America to "respect their values" and that America's conduct was "unacceptable". It's like dude, your Uganda, you don't get to tell us ****.
 
MrT said:
And the UK has travel warnings in place for their gay citizens in those countries. As for using the bathroom "not being a right," are you ****ing serious? Are you really trying to stand by your "Libertarian" label while claiming that it is OK for the government to regulate who is qualified to use which bathroom?
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The government already granted itself that authority long ago, so what are even complaining about? That the government has decided to practice the authority you support them having in a way differently than you desire?

I don't support the law as it was written North Carolina, but I also don't support the lefts view on the topic of bathroom usage either.
 
Cardinal said:
You said the laws were "benign." And that's absolutely true if you're not gay because you won't find yourself turned away for your sexual orientation. So yes, to you, the laws are entirely benign. Likewise, euthanasia against stray animals is benign to me because I'm not an animal.
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Tell me, what harm is inflected on someone by not benefiting from trade? Don't they just leave as they were?
 
Higgins86 said:
Uganda, Nigeria and Saudi. The fact that the US can even be looked at in the same light is the reason this is news.
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"The US is an extremely diverse society and attitudes towards LGBT people differ hugely across the country. LGBT travellers may be affected by legislation passed recently in the states of North Carolina and Mississippi."

and

"The ‘Same Sex Marriage Prohibition Bill’ allows lengthy prison sentences for those entering into a same sex marriage, those witnessing, aiding or abetting a same sex marriage, the operation and support to gay clubs, societies and organisations and the public display of same sex relationships."

are not even remotely the same light. One warns you that you may possibly be turned away by a business. The other warns that you could be thrown in prison.
 
Cardinal said:
You said the laws were "benign." And that's absolutely true if you're not gay because you won't find yourself turned away for your sexual orientation. So yes, to you, the laws are entirely benign. Likewise, euthanasia against stray animals is benign to me because I'm not an animal.
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Can you perhaps tell me how being killed is at all similar to being denied a sandwich?
 
Henrin said:
Can you perhaps tell me how being killed is at all similar to being denied a sandwich?
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Can you perhaps tell me where I suggested the two were even remotely similar?
 
Cardinal said:
"The US is an extremely diverse society and attitudes towards LGBT people differ hugely across the country. LGBT travellers may be affected by legislation passed recently in the states of North Carolina and Mississippi."

and

"The ‘Same Sex Marriage Prohibition Bill’ allows lengthy prison sentences for those entering into a same sex marriage, those witnessing, aiding or abetting a same sex marriage, the operation and support to gay clubs, societies and organisations and the public display of same sex relationships."

are not even remotely the same light. One warns you that you may possibly be turned away by a business. The other warns that you could be thrown in prison.
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So comparing being killed to denial of service is legit, but comparing denial of service to prison is not? So throwing someone in a cage is worse than killing them? :confused:
 
Cardinal said:
Can you perhaps tell me where I suggested the two were even remotely similar?
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So what exactly was the purpose of the last sentence of your post?
 
joG said:
It is a large country and with a fine breadth of cultural, ethical and ethnic diversity. This is often forgotten by oldworlders that think American food is defined by McDonald's.
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You do know Higgins has lived in the US?
 
Cardinal said:
"The US is an extremely diverse society and attitudes towards LGBT people differ hugely across the country. LGBT travellers may be affected by legislation passed recently in the states of North Carolina and Mississippi."

and

"The ‘Same Sex Marriage Prohibition Bill’ allows lengthy prison sentences for those entering into a same sex marriage, those witnessing, aiding or abetting a same sex marriage, the operation and support to gay clubs, societies and organisations and the public display of same sex relationships."

are not even remotely the same light. One warns you that you may possibly be turned away by a business. The other warns that you could be thrown in prison.
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We know that. But think about how news works. When the mayor of a city say in the south shoots off his mouth about the evils of GBT, it makes headlines beyond the US, because those attitudes are not anywhere near the surface in Europe, or in Canada for that matter. So that story, because it is "radical" to them, will be what they read in forming an opinion about Yankees.

Just as we have posts in here describing Europeans "all of them are leftists" is asinine, so is what many Americans make a broad stroke about people who are Different. As one American posts the idiocy that every European is a leftist, Europeans may see all Americans as homophobe war mongers.

If I had a ten dollar bill for every time some asshole in here tried to insult me with Justin Beiber I'd own the site
 
Henrin said:
So comparing being killed to denial of service is legit, but comparing denial of service to prison is not? So throwing someone in a cage is worse than killing them? :confused:
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Hoo boy.

I listed the warnings from the UK government travel site about Uganda, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria as a comparison to show that it's warning about America wasn't some hysterical anti-American crusade. What they said about the lgbt treatment in the US is that it's diverse (true) with the only real objects of any concern being recent laws in the South (true), none of which is even remotely close to its warnings about the other examples in which you can be thrown in mother****ing prison.
 
Henrin said:
So what exactly was the purpose of the last sentence of your post?
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Cpwill called the laws "benign," which is easy enough to say if you're not facing the business end of those laws.
 
Cardinal said:
Hoo boy.

I listed the warnings from the UK government travel site about Uganda, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria as a comparison to show that it's warning about America wasn't some hysterical anti-American crusade. What they said about the lgbt treatment in the US is that it's diverse (true) with the only real objects of any concern being recent laws in the South (true), none of which is even remotely close to its warnings about the other examples in which you can be thrown in mother****ing prison.
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Yeah, you already said that.
 
Fearandloathing said:
We know that. But think about how news works. When the mayor of a city say in the south shoots off his mouth about the evils of GBT, it makes headlines beyond the US, because those attitudes are not anywhere near the surface in Europe, or in Canada for that matter. So that story, because it is "radical" to them, will be what they read in forming an opinion about Yankees.

Just as we have posts in here describing Europeans "all of them are leftists" is asinine, so is what many Americans make a broad stroke about people who are Different. As one American posts the idiocy that every European is a leftist, Europeans may see all Americans as homophobe war mongers.

If I had a ten dollar bill for every time some asshole in here tried to insult me with Justin Beiber I'd own the site
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You're getting kind of meta here. You're saying (I think) that the story is the story. I'm reacting to the UK's travel advisory being the story, and therefore why I posted the comparisons to show that the UK gov site wasn't actually going off halfcocked, regardless of the cherry picking BBC did.
 
To be fair, I try to avoid traveling to the US too.

I like to stick to my country.

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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Holding hands, or presenting in a way that could be considered somewhere on the queer spectrum in New York won't even get a passing glance, and doing the same in some towns and much of the South can get you chased down by a some "good ole' boys" in trucks. Wish I was kidding -- those are literal examples from my life.

No, it ain't the Congo, but it sure as hell isn't safe either. You can definitely get discriminated against or even assaulted simply for being LGBT in some parts of the country, and on rare occasion, even the places that are supposed to be safe -- I saw it happen a couple times in Minneapolis, supposedly the most LGBT-friendly city in America. A month or so before I left, there was an anti-gay hate shooting. In a gay bar. In the most gay-friendly city in America.

It's something they deserve to know. Not too many places left in the developed world that are as bad as some parts of America. And now, of course, some states are even trying to basically legalize discrimination against the LGBT.

LGBT people from elsewhere in the developed world who expect America to be like what they're used to could be very disappointed, depending where they land, and consequently get hurt. They deserve to know that so they can look up where they're landing and keep themselves safe.

Humiliating? Yeah. But also true. If America doesn't want to be humiliated anymore, they should stop doing things that are worthy of feeling humiliated about rather than expecting other countries to simply not warn their citizens of the risks.
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Really? When and where in "the south"


clean your own house.

Rise in homophobic attacks in London, Greater Manchester, South Wales and Northern Ireland, say police | Crime | News | The Independent
 
Higgins86 said:
Lived up in the Northeast which I loved. Don't think I could live anywhere else in the US to be honest.
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Yeah, as I get older I feel the same way about the Southwest. I even avoid going down into California.
 
I fail to see what the excitement is about (where it occurs here) or how the need for throwing invectives around finds reason.

It's a sensible advice to travellers that's been hyped into something it is not.
 
clownboy said:
Yeah, as I get older I feel the same way about the Southwest. I even avoid going down into California.
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I loved visiting California but I could never live there. I loved the North East because it was pretty quiet, cities were small, amazing history and the climate wasn't too hot. Never made it up to Portland Oregon though, would love to visit one day.
 
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