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Something worrying in Scotland's largest mosques

Carjosse said:
New York City tried that, they found nothing.
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I don't know just who you mean by "New York City," but quite a few years ago, undercover work by authorities turned up caches of heavy weapons and explosives in a mosque in the NYC area. FBI investigations also led to the prosecution of a number of Muslims connected with a mosque in that area for their part in the conspiracy that led to the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February, 1993. That conspiracy was directed by foreign jihadists, one of whom was the Muslim Brotherhood religious expert Abdel "The Blind Sheikh" Rahman. Another conspiracy Rahman had in the works, in which the Islamist regime of Hasan Turabi in Sudan played some part, sought to blow up the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels and several very important public buildings in New York.
 
Higgins86 said:
Scotland also had a considerably less diverse population, less immigration and less ethnic groups migrating into it.
Comparing cities like London/ Birmingham to Edinburgh/ Glasgow is like comparing apples to potatoes.
Of course Scotland is deemed friendlier and producing less extremists. It's less extreme because it's prominently white.
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So, the Muslims immigrating to Scotland are white, and therefore peaceful?
Or the Scots are white, and therefore the Muslims coming there are peaceful?

I didn't realize that native Londoners were black.

I also didn't realize that white people were more peaceful than black people.

I guess you learn something new every day.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, the Muslims immigrating to Scotland are white, and therefore peaceful?
Or the Scots are white, and therefore the Muslims coming there are peaceful?

I didn't realize that native Londoners were black.

I also didn't realize that white people were more peaceful than black people.

I guess you learn something new every day.
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No that's not what I said, I said that Scotland has a far less diverse population. I believe in the last census it was 99.1% white compared to England which was somewhere in the 80%. If you have less immigrants coming into your country the natives are going to be more welcoming/accommodating than say someone in England who has witnessed several decades of continued immigration. Tensions will be lower, crime is statistically lower and obviously hate crimes/extremists will be much lower.
 
Higgins86 said:
No that's not what I said, I said that Scotland has a far less diverse population. I believe in the last census it was 99.1% white compared to England which was somewhere in the 80%. If you have less immigrants coming into your country the natives are going to be more welcoming/accommodating than say someone in England who has witnessed several decades of continued immigration. Tensions will be lower, crime is statistically lower and obviously hate crimes/extremists will be much lower.
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LOL.

Your statement doesn't reflect history. Religious crime (protestants vs catholics) still has a long spill over from the past and it's only 10 years ago that Scotland had the second highest murder rate in Europe. They have done a lot of work on the drinking culture and those figures have dropped but there is no correlation with migration and diversity.

I hate to agree with PeteEU but sometimes all bad things can't be put down to immigration.
 
Higgins86 said:
No that's not what I said, I said that Scotland has a far less diverse population. I believe in the last census it was 99.1% white compared to England which was somewhere in the 80%. If you have less immigrants coming into your country the natives are going to be more welcoming/accommodating than say someone in England who has witnessed several decades of continued immigration. Tensions will be lower, crime is statistically lower and obviously hate crimes/extremists will be much lower.
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So, you meant to say that Scotland has fewer immigrants. I'm not sure why you didn't say that in the first place.

Or, maybe you really meant to day that we can only absorb just so many sand (bleep!)s before things start to fall apart.
 
Moot said:
Much to Sec. Kerry's credit, he condemned the HRC's resolution. The article doesn't say if OIC is a member of the UN human rights council

“No one in this room can deny the bias against Israel in the U.N. Human Rights Council,” said Kerry, addressing a meeting of the U.N. organization shortly before he was scheduled to join envoys from five other world powers to resume nuclear talks with Iran....

“It must be said: the HRC’s obsession with Israel actually risks undermining the credibility of the entire organization,” Kerry added. “It has the potential to limit the good we can accomplish.”

Kerry promised that the United States would work to defeat anti-Israel resolutions it considers “arbitrary.”

“The United States will oppose arbitrary efforts to delegitimize Israel,” he said. “Not just in the U.N. Human Rights Council, but wherever it occurs.”...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...e8f2d2-9ac5-4408-bf7f-031674cc1a0d_story.html​


I fail to see a direct connection of the WH to the MB to the UN. That was your claim, wasn't it?
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Everything is Obama's fault. Didn't you know?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
LOL.

Your statement doesn't reflect history. Religious crime (protestants vs catholics) still has a long spill over from the past and it's only 10 years ago that Scotland had the second highest murder rate in Europe. They have done a lot of work on the drinking culture and those figures have dropped but there is no correlation with migration and diversity.

I hate to agree with PeteEU but sometimes all bad things can't be put down to immigration.
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Sorry I wasn't talking about crime as a whole I was referring to crime committed by immigrants. English and other European cities have a much higher number of immigrants than Scotland. More immigrants means less jobs, more tension and of course more ghetto's.

Also "religious crimes" in Scotland could also be called "football violence"
 
Grant said:
Terrorist Plots Targeting New York City

But Muslims sued so they've stopped the surveillance.

Cops are still being targeted and killed.
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That I knew about.
It was NYPD tactics that were used for years, cost millions that provided SFA, that was what I was after.
That and illegal activities by Police.
So do you have links for that?
 
JANFU said:
That I knew about.
It was NYPD tactics that were used for years, cost millions that provided SFA, that was what I was after.
That and illegal activities by Police.
So do you have links for that?
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If you knew about it why did you ask for a link? What are you wanting now?

You would have let those potential victims die rather than spend 'millions'. How many millions do you think it would have cost to rebuild the Brooklyn Bridge, as just one of the examples?
 
Grant said:
If you knew about it why did you ask for a link? What are you wanting now?

You would have let those potential victims die rather than spend 'millions'. How many millions do you think it would have cost to rebuild the Brooklyn Bridge, as just one of the examples?
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Did I ask you?
Nope.
 
JANFU said:
Did I ask you?
Nope.
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I was here, I was being helpful. Knowledge can be a good thing.

There are times when you should learn to do a little investigating on your own. It wouldn't do any harm.
 
Grant said:
I was here, I was being helpful. Knowledge can be a good thing.

There are times when you should learn to do a little investigating on your own. It wouldn't do any harm.
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I have. I am aware of the NYPD success, and its illegal activities.

So educate yourself
AP’s Probe Into NYPD Intelligence Operations


https://theintercept.com/2014/10/08...stration-continues-attacks-press-nypd-spying/
Informed by Israeli intelligence strategies deployed in the West Bank, the idea behind the surveillance was to map out “hot spots” of potential terrorist activity. The NYPD’s surveillance operations at times ran afoul of federal law enforcement terrorism investigations and, in the case of surveillance outside NYPD jurisdiction, were sometimes conducted without the knowledge of local elected officials. A senior NYPD officer involved in the program later testified that the department’s efforts did not produce a single lead, though their work did result in an extensive list of top-notch Middle Eastern restaurants and cricket fields.
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Grant said:
I never asked any questions or requested any links. That was you.

I'm familiar with all of that.
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Of course you are.
 
Meanwhile, back in Glasgow, Scotland, Europe. Some local background. There's a passing reference to the "old guard" misusing the police by referring upstart reformers as terrorists!

" ...Yet one of the reformers happens to be Maqbool Rasul, president of the Mosque. Following the Charity regulators intervention he remains the only trustee left holding the reins, but at the age of 63 and one of Scotland’s richest men he grew increasingly tired of the lack of accountability and old men opposing change in the name of religion.

A year ago the Scottish Charity regulators OSCR were called in by the new mosque committee after they noticed worrying financial irregularities. OSCR were scathing in their criticism and said the conduct and behaviour of some of ‘these trustees was not of a standard expected of people involved in a charity.’

OSCR gave a stark warning in its interim report last November saying: “All charity trustees must follow the terms of the charity’s constitution as it is their statutory duty, and failure to do so would result in a breach of charity law.”

But many in the community don’t care too much for the civil war, seeing it as the usual clash of egos, with a turf war being fought between rich old business men and the young guns classed by the media as ‘liberal reformers’. ... "

The battle for the soul of Islam in Scotland (From Herald Scotland)
 
Higgins86 said:
Sorry I wasn't talking about crime as a whole I was referring to crime committed by immigrants. English and other European cities have a much higher number of immigrants than Scotland. More immigrants means less jobs, more tension and of course more ghetto's.

Also "religious crimes" in Scotland could also be called "football violence"
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Didn't see this before. I think you're wrong on a range of levels mate, firstly it's not about crime as committed by immigrants - I think you should look at the rate or proportion of crime as committed by immigrants vs the local ethnic population. You'll never do away with crime and even if you imported white people en masse from another part of the UK, you will be importing those who will commit crime so the question would be whether you're importing people more likely to commit crime.

Then, there's that problem of comparing crime - look for that old canard for example "rape capital of Europe" which some people throw at Sweden even though the real cause of that high number is the Swedes decided to include a whole range of other actions as rape and sexual assault. So it's hard to compare like for like.

Finally and I'm only looking at one period - and as I showed in the example of Scotland, things change over time - if you look at these figures, some of the worst crime zones in all of Europe (not just EU) there are some strange anomalies - Milton Keynes for example had the second worst crime rate while there are a few Italian cities (koff.. mafia koff...) and the first city I can think of with a high immigrant population would be Marseilles but Dublin is higher - not the first place you think of with a high immigrant population.

Glasgow is at 28 (Newcastle is higher at 20 - and I've seen lots of reports about gun crime and shootings in Newcastle these last 2 years) and London which is (if you read some Brexit comments on other websites) supposed to be unrecognisable as an "English city" is at 34.

So the figures (where they might be relevant) don't support your line of comments.

Link.
 
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