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The Political Right in the West is a Joke

William Rea

William Rea

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I cite this forum as an example of why the political right is unable to police itself and therefore cannot be trusted with any serious power or authority. It is now only the centre and democratic left that, by necessity, has been able to leave the 20th century behind and progress. Fiscal conservatives who are socially liberal are being usurped in their own political parties and have lost control of them.
 
William Rea said:
I cite this forum as an example of why the political right is unable to police itself and therefore cannot be trusted with any serious power or authority. It is now only the centre and democratic left that, by necessity, has been able to leave the 20th century behind and progress. Fiscal conservatives who are socially liberal are being usurped in their own political parties and have lost control of them.
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I dont think you have a good understanding of the foundations of our political parties.
 
William Rea said:
I cite this forum as an example of why the political right is unable to police itself and therefore cannot be trusted with any serious power or authority. It is now only the centre and democratic left that, by necessity, has been able to leave the 20th century behind and progress. Fiscal conservatives who are socially liberal are being usurped in their own political parties and have lost control of them.
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You think?
 
William Rea said:
I cite this forum as an example of why the political right is unable to police itself ~
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Will, some of those calling themselves "conservative" on this Europe forum are no allies of mine. I'm embarrassed by some of them and I don't recognise them as true "one Nation" tories - mind you, even under Margaret Thatcher, I remember the Conservative Party had elements of a looney hard right which appealed to the more democratic National Front types. Although I always voted Thatcher - if such a candidate had stood in my area I would have spoiled my ballot.

Anyhow - just as there are more moderate Left wing politicians like Hilary Benn - you can't broadbrush them in with the George Galloways and Ken Livingstones of the hard left.
 
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William Rea said:
I cite this forum as an example of why the political right is unable to police itself and therefore cannot be trusted with any serious power or authority. It is now only the centre and democratic left that, by necessity, has been able to leave the 20th century behind and progress. Fiscal conservatives who are socially liberal are being usurped in their own political parties and have lost control of them.
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So you think that the IRA groupy Corbyn represents 'progress'? I think he is destroying the Labour Party, which I find rather pleasing.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Will, some of those calling themselves "conservative" on this Europe forum are no allies of mine. I'm embarrassed by some of them and I don't recognise them as true "one Nation" tories - mind you, even under Margaret Thatcher, I remember the Conservative Party had elements of a looney hard right which appealed to the more democratic National Front types. Although I always voted Thatcher - if such a candidate had stood in my area I would have spoiled my ballot.

Anyhow - just as there are more moderate Left wing politicians like Hilary Benn - you can't broadbrush them in with the George Galloways and Ken Livingstones of the hard left.
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Worryingly, the Labour Party are filling itself with hard left types. They just don't get, Mr normal working man won't go near them with a barge pole in 2020. After the calamitous budget, Corbyn should have been all over it, instead he produced an incoherent, nothing reply. He is the biggest gift to the Conservative party since Foot.
 
gunner said:
~ He is the biggest gift to the Conservative party since Foot.
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True, but the Conservatives are going to blow it with open civil war.

I remember when Thatcher led the conservatives she did have rebels within very early on but she removed them during her first govt and later Wets she battled with were combated in private. Cameron is doing everything publicly as are his Brexit rivals and it doesn't look good.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
True, but the Conservatives are going to blow it with open civil war.

I remember when Thatcher led the conservatives she did have rebels within very early on but she removed them during her first govt and later Wets she battled with were combated in private. Cameron is doing everything publicly as are his Brexit rivals and it doesn't look good.
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And the Conservative party are getting no help furthering that destruction, by Labour. The opposition (if you can call them that) are a disgrace to the adversarial political system we have.
 
gunner said:
And the Conservative party are getting no help furthering that destruction, by Labour. The opposition (if you can call them that) are a disgrace to the adversarial political system we have.
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Looking at it neutrally - they are doing what I would do if your opposition was tearing itself apart in public - which is to keep quiet and let them do this to themselves. You'll see that pro EU Nicola Sturgeon raised a second Scottish referendum question not too long ago and there was no reaction against that anywhere because the story is how the Conservatives are falling apart.

To me, the unity of the UK is a more important idea than whether Michael Gove had lied about the Queen favouring Brexit or not but our papers were focused on a potential Royal scoop.
 
William Rea said:
I cite this forum as an example of why the political right is unable to police itself and therefore cannot be trusted with any serious power or authority. It is now only the centre and democratic left that, by necessity, has been able to leave the 20th century behind and progress. Fiscal conservatives who are socially liberal are being usurped in their own political parties and have lost control of them.
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While this is a basically half-cocked rant, you're not entirely wrong. The Republicans in the U.S. are absolutely whacked out of their minds right now.
 
Kobie said:
While this is a basically half-cocked rant, you're not entirely wrong. The Republicans in the U.S. are absolutely whacked out of their minds right now.
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True. In addition to the race for the Whitehouse, we've seen a race for who can be the 'most right' of all candidates.
 
Kobie said:
~ The Republicans in the U.S. are absolutely whacked out of their minds right now.
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"Whacked" is right, (no pun intended) as a British Conservative, I can't see much to identify with a man who seems so bigoted & misogynistic. He's also an opportunistic liar about life in the UK. He has followers here on the forum who come to tell us how life is in Europe though. Some of them didn't even know they were followers until he ran for the US Presidency.

gunner said:
True. In addition to the race for the Whitehouse, we've seen a race for who can be the 'most right' of all candidates.
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You're absolutely correct putting that in quotes - right wing and or conservative never meant (to me) a hatred for those unlike ourselves, lying about the different people who make up a nation. There is a difference between "Conservative" and "conservatism" as I see it - true "conservatism" hated the radical ideas of Margaret Thatcher even if they now benefit from what she did.

I just can't ally myself or identify with many people who are calling themselves "conservative" on this forum; probably like many in the Labour Party would have hated Militant Tendency when it was a part of the Labour Party in the 80's.
 
The Political Right in the West is a Joke
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Which is probably why even Kinnock had to admit - through distortion and paranoid mumblings about Tories being 'hypnotists' - that Conservatives have rescued their reputation enough as economy-savers. Which is probably why it appeals to people that ideas of decency and true ideas of people rising as high as they can do in life are ones Conservatives can part appeal to for support.

And probably why the only thing lefties can do is react in impotent panic whenever elections and arguments are lost, dive to the hard left in consolation if they do anything, ten try and hijack the credit for disasters when Conservatives split on their own.

The whole atmosphere has shifted to the right, hence the only time Labour could be voted for in the whole last 40 years was when Tony Blair was in charge.
 
Crovax said:
The US, I assume thats what you meant when you said "Political Right in the West"
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I meant the West in a general sense. I intentionally kept it open because, although this is the Europe forum, it seems that there is an appetite for European politics among our North American colleagues. I will clarify, I am speaking about the political right of Europe and North America. Hope that helps.
 
Sweden said:
So you think that the IRA groupy Corbyn represents 'progress'? I think he is destroying the Labour Party, which I find rather pleasing.
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Tu Quoque fallacy, the subject is the Political Right.
 
gunner said:
Worryingly, the Labour Party are filling itself with hard left types. They just don't get, Mr normal working man won't go near them with a barge pole in 2020. After the calamitous budget, Corbyn should have been all over it, instead he produced an incoherent, nothing reply. He is the biggest gift to the Conservative party since Foot.
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Tu Quoque fallacy, the subject is the Political Right.
 
gunner said:
And the Conservative party are getting no help furthering that destruction, by Labour. The opposition (if you can call them that) are a disgrace to the adversarial political system we have.
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Tu Quoque fallacy, the subject is the Political Right.
 
William Rea said:
I cite this forum as an example of why the political right is unable to police itself and therefore cannot be trusted with any serious power or authority. It is now only the centre and democratic left that, by necessity, has been able to leave the 20th century behind and progress. Fiscal conservatives who are socially liberal are being usurped in their own political parties and have lost control of them.
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There is no meat on this bone.
 
Tu Quoque fallacy, the subject is the Political Right.
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A line you fail to convey.

And why assume a person who backs communists - men who once broke bread with Hitler, then kill and jail dissidents wherever they rule - to be any kind of authority on integrity?
 
Kobie said:
While this is a basically half-cocked rant, you're not entirely wrong. The Republicans in the U.S. are absolutely whacked out of their minds right now.
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It wasn't meant as a rant Kobie, I would have used worse language and plenty of !!! if it was however, I do try to be very concise in my posts and maybe this appears polemic because I wanted to condense it down to as few words as I could. If it has come across like that then it is not meant to. I also believe that the 'conservative' parties of the West have attempted to skew the centre of politics so far to the right that no one knows where the moderate ground is any more. We have no anchor with which to gauge how far is too far but, that is perhaps another threads worth of Tu Quoque.
 
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