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EU. Please read this Americans

The best way to describe the EU is a complicated series of international agreements with even more complicated exceptions and asterisks to all those treaties.
 
I read this and completely understand the point of them leaving..

I believe a while back they were trying to impose some crp like this on the USA but it conflicted with out gun rights...
Guess what? We still have our gun rights... Nanner nanner..
 
You do know that the US is a federal system of states.. so technically they all are submitting to "foreign rule" by being in that federal system. Each state has less independence than EU member states... like the UK. Ironic no?

No. The US is a federation of states which essentially began from nothing, building from a collection of territories claimed by foreign powers or frontiersmen. If I have that too wrong, I'm sure the record will be put straight.

But in a nutshell, they weren't already full-fledged ancient nations with full independent government autonomy. As we have been. Making it seditious and treasonous for politicians to build the EU, while patriotic for Americans to hold the USA.
 
You do know that the US is a federal system of states.. so technically they all are submitting to "foreign rule" by being in that federal system. Each state has less independence than EU member states... like the UK. Ironic no?

Apples and oranges, the EU isn't a nation.

Anyway, I haven't heard anything good about the UK leaving the EU. I hear the economic consequences wouldn't be good.

No. The US is a federation of states which essentially began from nothing, building from a collection of territories claimed by foreign powers or frontiersmen. If I have that too wrong, I'm sure the record will be put straight.

But in a nutshell, they weren't already full-fledged ancient nations with full independent government autonomy. As we have been. Making it seditious and treasonous for politicians to build the EU, while patriotic for Americans to hold the USA.

Not that I have an issue with the EU, but truth on our US system. The comparison is bizarre, to be honest.

I believe a while back they were trying to impose some crp like this on the USA but it conflicted with out gun rights...
Guess what? We still have our gun rights... Nanner nanner..

What the hell are you talking about?
 
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Exactly. And the wider it casts its net, the more totalitarian it has to be. Imperial, if you will, while faking avoiding that.

Barroso hails the European 'empire' - Telegraph

European civilisation is in danger of succumbing to the EU empire - Telegraph

Not really, it would be rather authoritarian without those exceptions. All those exceptions and asterisks are countries choosing not to participate in certain parts of those treaties. These countries chose to be part of these treaties and some chose not to. It is not authoritarian. The EU has a lot less power than you think it does.
 
You do know that the US is a federal system of states.. so technically they all are submitting to "foreign rule" by being in that federal system. Each state has less independence than EU member states... like the UK. Ironic no?

That is a creative interpretation of political systems, but distorts the relationships of sovereignty and legitimacy to fit your purpose.
 
You do know that the US is a federal system of states.. so technically they all are submitting to "foreign rule" by being in that federal system. Each state has less independence than EU member states... like the UK. Ironic no?

Indeed. The US is technically 11 different countries under a conquering all-powerful superstate.
- Yankeedom
- New Netherlands
- New France
- Midlands
- Appalachia
- Deep South (D.S.)
- Caribbean Spain
- El Norte
- Far West (F.W.)
- Left Coast

You can also include Texas and California as mini-nations.

Imagine the chaos that would have unfolded had the USSR won the Cold War.
 
Imagine having US laws written and passed in another country then enforced upon the US. There would be an uprising, so there should be.
 
The best way to describe the EU is a complicated series of international agreements with even more complicated exceptions and asterisks to all those treaties.

You know totally nothing about the EU sitting far away in Canada. You just prove the point of this thread. Ever heard the supremacy of law? The European court is the highest court in the land of all nations who are members of the EU. It is called the supremacy of law that is if you had to live under the EU and actually know what it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_(European_Union_law)
 
Not really, it would be rather authoritarian without those exceptions. All those exceptions and asterisks are countries choosing not to participate in certain parts of those treaties. These countries chose to be part of these treaties and some chose not to. It is not authoritarian. The EU has a lot less power than you think it does.

In a distracted way, yes. But it's more a battered wife syndrome dynamic. Or cult commune.

Nations are lured or coerced in with promises of nice things, or threats of dire consequence for refusal. Then when we're in, we have to ask permission to leave, fight all kinds of moral blackmail before having to endure revenge for leaving, such as abitrary trade tarriffs, or plain refusal to accept much treaty deal negotiation in pursuit of normal diplomatic business.

We're always told we'll be shut in the cold, for having full freedom of lawmaking and just being like us.
 
I believe a while back they were trying to impose some crp like this on the USA but it conflicted with out gun rights...
Guess what? We still have our gun rights... Nanner nanner..

What the hell are you talking about?


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NRA has been engaged at the United Nations and elsewhere internationally in response to overreaching small arms initiatives for two decades.
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The most pressing international threat to U.S. gun owners is the UN Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). Among its most egregious provisions, the treaty encourages national recordkeeping requirements for “end users” of covered arms (including firearms), and suggests that national governments share such records. Further, the ATT compels countries to make arms import and export decisions based upon a trading partner’s willingness to abide by the treaty’s requirements, which could isolate the United States from legitimate trade in arms or force it to adopt restrictions detrimental to Second Amendment rights.
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https://www.nraila.org/issues/internationalun-gun-control-issues/
 
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NRA has been engaged at the United Nations and elsewhere internationally in response to overreaching small arms initiatives for two decades.
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The most pressing international threat to U.S. gun owners is the UN Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). Among its most egregious provisions, the treaty encourages national recordkeeping requirements for “end users” of covered arms (including firearms), and suggests that national governments share such records. Further, the ATT compels countries to make arms import and export decisions based upon a trading partner’s willingness to abide by the treaty’s requirements, which could isolate the United States from legitimate trade in arms or force it to adopt restrictions detrimental to Second Amendment rights.
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https://www.nraila.org/issues/internationalun-gun-control-issues/

Well we all know how the UN feels about the right to bear arms

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There are a number of good posts on this thread, and I suspect one or more posters may had been even surprised that I liked their posts. Anyway, I believe the following may also interest, and relates to an amazing Mrs Elizabeth Beckett (now deceased) who had been an inspiration for many, including myself.

Mrs Beckett was a feisty lady, and I wish that I had met her. People like her continue to inspire me to do what's right. With just a few more thousand like me, we can finally clean up parliament for the good of all.

Everything that follows was posted by The Whistleblower. It is reproduced with full permission of the author.

"The fact is that the way the United Kingdom is currently governed is in total violation of our constitution…..not only by the fact that they are illegally taking away the power of the Monarch and its citizens by falsely handing this power to a foreign nation. They continue to hand out billions of taxpayers money and then demand to tax us even more…this is in violation of our historical constitution.

I thought I would leave the rest of this article to the words spoken by other good British Citizens who did care and did not sit back in their armchairs, like most of us and just accept what our government is telling us.

My first dedication must go to Mrs. Elizabeth Beckett who worked tirelessly in defending the constitution of the United Kingdom. I find her work so interesting especially when she applied her knowledge in advising readers in the US about the American Constitution. The following is an extract from the Namaste Magazine Vol 10 Issue 2:

As far as the American Constitution is concerned, Jefferson and co made a Masonic Constitution, but they did not wipe out the existing British Constitution on which the colonies had lived for two hundred years. This is the basis of your law and customs

The English Constitution includes:

1). Magna Carta, (which the Supreme Court used for the release of the people in Guantanamo Bay)

2). The Petition of Right 1627

3). The Bill of Rights of 1689

4). The 1700 Act of Settlement

These legal statutes were made by the people from whom the colonies are descended, only rubber stamped by British Parliament, (governing the colonies at the time) until independence. It is the basis of your Law and your Constitution. The United States Constitution is subject to the British Constitution.

The only elements of the US Constitution that differ from the British Constitution is the royal prerogative and Christianity. The prerogative can exceptionally be used by the President, but is not part of the law as it is with us in the UK. However, the people of the USA cannot rely on the 'prerogative', all they can do is find the relevant phrases that can fight orders. These can be found in the Bill of Rights 1689 and chapter 29 of Magna Carta. Good luck.

Captain Ranty-Lawful Rebel: The Amazing Mrs Elizabeth Beckett
 
You know totally nothing about the EU sitting far away in Canada. You just prove the point of this thread. Ever heard the supremacy of law? The European court is the highest court in the land of all nations who are members of the EU. It is called the supremacy of law that is if you had to live under the EU and actually know what it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_(European_Union_law)

That is what those asterisks in those complicated agreements are for.
 
That is what those asterisks in those complicated agreements are for.

Oh you so know when you have lost:lamo Keep repeating 'asterisks' while in reality we have supremacy of law from the EU which you seem to think is one of those 'asterisk'.

Here just for your closed mindedness-

EU law is a principle that when there is conflict between European law and the law of Member States, European law prevails; the norms of national law have to be set aside. This principle was developed by the European Court of Justice, and, as interpreted by that court, it means that any norms of European law always take precedence over any norms of national law, including the constitutions of member states
 
Oh you so know when you have lost:lamo Keep repeating 'asterisks' while in reality we have supremacy of law from the EU which you seem to think is one of those 'asterisk'.

Here just for your closed mindedness-

Ia ms till correct the UK has a permanent opt out for certain things and so do other countries. I would also like to bring up that the UK is represented within the EU and agreed to join it.
 
Ia ms till correct the UK has a permanent opt out for certain things and so do other countries. I would also like to bring up that the UK is represented within the EU and agreed to join it.

No, they agreed to join a trade agreement called the "common market" which they voted for as they thought it was a trade deal. The EU as a political union did not exist.

Only a few nations in the EU have the opt-out clause but that is only for future laws which are made and only in certain areas.

The UK is represented by 73 MEP's with there being 751 in total. The EU commission (unelected) formulates the laws and sets the agenda.
 
Fox on Friday: Americans would never submit to foreign rule, unlike us - The Conservative Woman

I think that many Americans fail to grasp what the EU is and why it is vital for the UK to leave and regain its freedom.

I read it and I think it is nonsense and ignores all the benefits the UK has from Europe (and the cost that will come when it leaves the UK). I also disagree that the European economy (or anything else) is in its death throes. I think that if the UK leaves the EU, we maybe will form a better and more perfect union.
 
The best way to describe the EU is a complicated series of international agreements with even more complicated exceptions and asterisks to all those treaties.

Most of them caused by the UK IMHO.
 
I think that if the UK leaves the EU, we maybe will form a better and more perfect union.

GOTCHA!

If we're so crappy 'cos we're a leg iron, here in the UK where we have the London Stock Exchange and better economic conditions for foreign investment, why do Euronuts make such emotional fusses all the time about our staying in??
 
I read it and I think it is nonsense and ignores all the benefits the UK has from Europe (and the cost that will come when it leaves the UK). I also disagree that the European economy (or anything else) is in its death throes. I think that if the UK leaves the EU, we maybe will form a better and more perfect union.

"I think it is nonsense" yeah just brush something aside which collides with your ideology.

"More perfect union" so you think it is perfect now... please don't make me laugh.

Goldman Sachs you know the guys who screwed half the world over in 2008 they support the UK staying the EU and they have given hundreds of thousands of pounds for propaganda to make sure that happens. So why do you support Goldman Sachs.

For all patriots reading this you can easily destroy the pro EU left when you repeat this fact because the left always acts like they are tough on the banks (they are not btw it is a total farce and leftist parties are controlled by the big banks).
 
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