I have moved NO goal posts. Sorry Will, when trying to disprove a premise you don't have the luxury of changing things to fit your views.
Here are some comments followed by what I think are relevant and important questions I think you need to address:
1) I can't speak for Will, but I think what makes me most uncomfortable with your repeatedly reverting back to Rotherham, even in threads such as this which really aren't anything to do with it, is this: you insist, in any kind of discussion about it, a sine qua non that the Muslim 'community' of Rotherham is excoriated for harbouring the perpetrators of these crimes, for not doing enough to condemn them, for maintaining cultural attitudes that at once both downplay the seriousness of the crimes and tacitly encourage the effed up attitudes that brought those crimes about.
When you have it pointed out to you that it was indeed groups of Muslim women and individuals that were amongst the first to report the criminal activities of the perpetrators, firstly you say:
How come the 'Muslim community' did not come out and provide information, on the years of sustained abuse in Rotherham, by mainly Pakistani Muslims?
Then you say,
I've never denied there was problems with their own, far from it.
Perhaps you're suggesting that the groups and individuals who did report abuse aren't really a part of the 'Muslim community'. So perhaps you can clear this up.
Question: Do you concede that the 'Muslim community' did indeed act, sooner than virtually anyone else, to address and combat the crimes committed?
2) You also introduce a racial element into it inferring, while stopping short of being explicit, that the targeting of victims was a playing out of this phantasmal 'rape jihad' phenomenon.
Question: Do you believe that 'rape jihad' did indeed play a part in the crimes in Rotherham?
3) And thirdly, you insist that in order to draw comparisons between different cases of violent and organised rape and abuse every element of each case has to be the 'very same' in order to be relevant.
Clearly, in your lack of interest in, and dismissal of all those other high-profile grooming, paedophile, group activities you are emphasising the predominantly Pakistani-Muslim cases as being particularly noteworthy and, it would appear, peculiarly heinous. By not explaining why this might be the case you lead us to conclude that it must have something to do with a religious or racial distinction between different sets of what I think most people would determine are equally heinous, equally reprehensible delinquents.
Question: Do you believe that there is something uniquely heinous about the crimes of the Rotherham rape gangs that sets them apart from all those other cases of rape and abuse that we've seen in recent months perpetrated by non-Muslim criminal gangs?
4) Whilst they all differ considerably in their modus operandi, organisation and victim typology, crimes of violence, sexual abuse, grooming and paedophilia are all as worthy of constant and repeated reiteration and discussion in my book.
Question: Why are the crimes of Rotherham worthy of continual reminders, brought repeatedly into threads not dealing with those incidents, when other clearly comparable social aberrations are not?
Question: Is it because in linking such disparate issues as terrorism, immigration, crime and sexual deviance we can then be invited to label all these issues with one neat 'Muslim problem' label?
Now Paul, I know that you are unlikely to address these five questions directly, that tends not to be your way, but I thought that it was relevant to ask because other posters might be able to reflect and answer those questions for themselves in the light of how these debates go and have gone in the past.