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Cost of Brexit to UK households

Nothing's hard and fast in the Remain camp. The LSE paper, for instance, says itself that it works on various assumptions about things like trade tarriffs or that all countries would lose out on Brexit. Just pick a value and run with it!

We're told all kinds of differing things by David Cameron, who was once a Brexit man himself. The overarching narrative is that we trade sovereignty for claimed security, the perogative of the tyrant through the ages.
 
More scaremongering from the remain side.
 
Guessing you aint gonna see this in most UK newspapers ... wonder if the TV news would cover it...

Why don't you surf the net and find out? Of course it is being published. Every scare story you can imagine is being published with regard Brexit. When I said elsewhere that the British people are being hit hard with pro-EU propaganda on daily basis I was not kidding. They are calling it project fear, but it isn't working.
 
I'm coming to the idea that PeteEU himself is the Union's ultimate GM test, his brain preloaded with the contents of the EC dogma cabinet.

Or just kneejerk reaction. Every pro- argument is unconquerable truth while every anti- point is scaremongering and propaganda.
 
The only thing that can be credibly asserted wrt to the controversy over the issue, is that an over-abundance of idiocy governs both sides of the propagandistic spectrum.

In the media and on here rational positions, where not totally absent, are nearly as rare as penguins in the Arctic.

To accuse the LSE (which I happen to have attended) of Euro propaganda, be it pro or contra, is about as daft as it can get.
 
Who accused the LSE?

The book itself says the material is not the position of the LSE, just that of individual authors. Just as it isn't LSE policy to segregate men and women, even though its loony tune Islamic Society does.

The last post is daft if it thinks anything else.
 
An LSE analysis is posted and met with the single one-liner of "scaremongering" (#4). To be unable to read the whole thread as far as only the 4th post is perhaps not as daft as the general atmosphere, but it doesn't say much for those that think everything is simply about them either.
 
~ Every scare story you can imagine is being published with regard Brexit. When I said elsewhere that the British people are being hit hard with pro-EU propaganda on daily basis I was not kidding. They are calling it project fear,

There's misinformation on both sides - some in the Brexit group tell us the EU controls or has stolen / taken our democracy, runs our government or tells us what to do and some in the Remain camp tell us the UK will collapse if we leave or that we won't find any markets.

Personally, I would rather se positive campaigns on both sides promoting the benefits with as much factual support as possible.

but it isn't working.

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The poll of polls leaves out undecided voters but at no time does the leave campaign overtake the remain one. The undecided voters will carry the day if they turn out to vote.
 
PROJECT FEAR: Cameron claims Brexit will make streets MORE DANGEROUS in desperate plea

DAVID Cameron has warned Britain only has "100 days to secure our future" in a desperate bid to sway voters to opt to stick with the EU in the upcoming referendum.

Cameron claims Brexit will make streets more dangerous in desperate plea | UK | News | Daily Express

I believe most people round the world have no idea just how bad the British people are being hit. Wee have the current PM Cameron, the previous PM's Brown, Blair, and John Major. Needless to say, I am half expecting Evis (not my firt choice, but did not want to offend any religious groups here) to rise from the dead and do the same. Hell, for those who think that is bad, trust me, it it gets worst, as following should show:

A British Exit From the EU Would Have Global Consequences

A British Exit From the EU Would Have Global Consequences - WSJ

The above was from Wall Street Journal, and believe me, there are others that predicted worse. :roll:
 
Why don't you surf the net and find out? Of course it is being published. Every scare story you can imagine is being published with regard Brexit. When I said elsewhere that the British people are being hit hard with pro-EU propaganda on daily basis I was not kidding. They are calling it project fear, but it isn't working.

In other words, they are not being published in places like the Times, Daily Mail or other anti-Europe rags and the people continue to be brainwashed by the anti-Europe squad.
 
In other words, they are not being published in places like the Times, Daily Mail or other anti-Europe rags and the people continue to be brainwashed by the anti-Europe squad.

Why don't you do a search of net and surprise yourself? :roll:
 
Why dont you do it for all of us to prove me wrong?

David Cameron pleads with voters to 'think about your children' as he warns low turn-out could hand victory to Brexit
Prime Minister said his biggest referendum fear was apathy from In voters
Urged young voters to persuade parents and grandparents to back the EU
Cameron warns a Brexit vote in June would set Britain back by a decade

David Cameron warns low turn-out could hand victory to Brexit  | Daily Mail Online

:roll:
 
There's misinformation on both sides - some in the Brexit group tell us the EU controls or has stolen / taken our democracy, runs our government or tells us what to do and some in the Remain camp tell us the UK will collapse if we leave or that we won't find any markets.

Personally, I would rather se positive campaigns on both sides promoting the benefits with as much factual support as possible.



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The poll of polls leaves out undecided voters but at no time does the leave campaign overtake the remain one. The undecided voters will carry the day if they turn out to vote.

May I add that the polls got it totally wrong at UK 2015 GE. Further, elections and referendum are not same thing. To be frank, I believe the polls are way off with regard EU referendum. Polls had been conducted in number of national publications, including Express, Telegraph, Mirror, and every one of them showed the vast majority supporting Brexit with exception of mirror that although showing a majority for leave, the lead was not as great as in other polls within other publications. Note these were not the only publications that conducted there own polls, and in every instance the leave camp was in the lead.
 
The interesting (although not at all surprising) issue here is that the LSE assessment is not even examined on its contents (and as such merits and demerits). Instead we get an interchange on who fear-mongers the most and advice on taking the internet as the ultimate gospel.

What next, FB entries sorted by the number of likes?

Real bunch of economic analysts on here, eh wot?:roll:
 
~ the current PM Cameron ~

Cameron is the worst of the fear mongers; he is using this to oust rebels within his own party and it seems his harshest words are at Brexit people in his own party.

Some people give the word "Conservative" a bad name but then, in many cases the purpose of seeking power is to hang on to it. Not insignificant that Labour and Nicola Sturgeon won't share platforms with him.

All that aside - I don'r read much fear from the SNP or Labour - they are staying aside while the Conservatives tear each other apart in public.
 
Not insignificant that Labour and Nicola Sturgeon won't share platforms with him.

These people have nothing as noble as the nation in mind.

Labour people still feel the reason they lost Scotland was in part due to 'sharing a platform' on trying to keep the UK together! Things like this are why they only pay lip service to patriotism anyway, the PC mugs.

And the tartan dumpling said she would never dream of interfering with policy outside an independent Scotland, yet complained that any notion of not letting Scottish MPs vote on English-only issues was bad form! And is always thinking of demanding a second referendum so she has all she wants and never mind the Scottish result!

I don't think David Cameron's in any lowly status compared to these frauds.
 
Cameron is the worst of the fear mongers; he is using this to oust rebels within his own party and it seems his harshest words are at Brexit people in his own party.

Some people give the word "Conservative" a bad name but then, in many cases the purpose of seeking power is to hang on to it. Not insignificant that Labour and Nicola Sturgeon won't share platforms with him.

All that aside - I don'r read much fear from the SNP or Labour - they are staying aside while the Conservatives tear each other apart in public.


Labour divided on EU referendum strategy as trade unions sit on the fence

The Times reports that divisions have emerged within Labour over the party’s stance in the EU referendum, with Shadow Home Secretary Andy Burnham warning that the party must not be seen to be making “the establishment case” for continued membership. Burnham reportedly clashed with Alan Johnson, the leader of Labour’s own pro-EU campaign, over how far Labour should keep its distance from David Cameron and business leaders. Former Shadow Culture Secretary Michael Dugher added that the referendum campaign “should be a battle between those who want to leave Europe and those of us who want to fight for a changed Europe that works in the British interest.” A spokesman for Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn also said that the party would not spend “anything like” its permitted £4m total on the campaign. Corbyn himself is unlikely to appear at any pro-EU campaign events, but former Prime Minister Gordon Brown is being lined up to make the case.

Labour split over EU referendum strategy | Open Europe

The Tory party are divided, but so too is the Labour party, though for different reasons. Blair had already come out a number of times in support of UK remaining in EU, and Brown is expected to do the same soon.

The important point to note here though is that the campaigns to remain or leave the EU are cross party. The EU referendum is not about party, it is about country. Hence, party differences had been set aside where the EU referendum is concerned.
 
Simpleχity;1065681571 said:

Let's just take this at face value as being 100% true. What does Britain gain?

Well, they regain full sovereignty over their nation and their rights to self-determination not to be violated by a bunch of unelected EU agencies. What kind of price tag do you put on that?
 
Let's just take this at face value as being 100% true. What does Britain gain?

Well, they regain full sovereignty over their nation and their rights to self-determination not to be violated by a bunch of unelected EU agencies. What kind of price tag do you put on that?
I'm not British nor do I have a dog in this spat. I posted the OP primarily for informational purposes.

I fervently hope that whatever the Brits decide pans out best for the majority.
 
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