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Merkel pays price of open borders

Abbazorkzog said:
This guy gets it. I'm not even anti-Immigration but this makes sense. Now the refugees are suffering because of unfettered immigration policies in Merkel's Germany.
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I don't mind a good new immigration law in Germany either; but that should be one that allows legal immigration (and a path to citizenship) for people we need, who are beneficial and won't cause trouble.

I like Canada's model: Give points for language skills, education degrees and job experience, and when you reach a certain number of points, you can apply. That way, you pick people who aren't likely to cause trouble.
 
Germany seems to be working their problems out at the ballot box, nothing wrong with that. Isn't that what we've always been told is how disagreements should be handled?
 
Centrehalf said:
Germany seems to be working their problems out at the ballot box, nothing wrong with that. Isn't that what we've always been told is how disagreements should be handled?
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Generally, I agree.

As long as the AFD remains supporting our constitution and the free, democratic process. As long as it is a clearly constitutional party that will not damage our constition IF it came to power one day, and allowed the people to freely diselect it again 4 years later, yes, then I agree with you.

Many AFD politicians are certainly no problem in these regards. But they also have some questionable far-right people among their ranks, and I'm not so sure about them. They might be inclined to damage the free democratic process if they ever got the chance.
 
German guy said:
Generally, I agree.

As long as the AFD remains supporting our constitution and the free, democratic process. As long as it is a clearly constitutional party that will not damage our constition IF it came to power one day, and allowed the people to freely diselect it again 4 years later, yes, then I agree with you.

Many AFD politicians are certainly no problem in these regards. But they also have some questionable far-right people among their ranks, and I'm not so sure about them. They might be inclined to damage the free democratic process if they ever got the chance.
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What do you do if the ballot box isn't infallible?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
..................the breaking of the tyranny of the elite to the point that other views can be considered in polite company is in itself a HUGE win in both Germany and France just as it is in America...................
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d'accord
 
German guy said:
Uhm... what does this reply have to do with the posting I made?
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I've asked this question to many people who are pro refugee and pro Muslim immigration, and they've never been able to answer it in a way that seems to make any sense. They just feel strongly that it's our duty to let people live with us, though they can't think of any benefits we receive from it.
It's just all based on warm fuzzy emotion, and not on logic.
 
truthatallcost said:
I've asked this question to many people who are pro refugee and pro Muslim immigration, and they've never been able to answer it in a way that seems to make any sense. They just feel strongly that it's our duty to let people live with us, though they can't think of any benefits we receive from it.
It's just all based on warm fuzzy emotion, and not on logic.
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What did I say that makes you think I'm "pro-refugee" and "pro Muslim immigration"?

And furthermore, what makes you think this is an "either pro or contra" issue?
 
Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others.

..................be it some posters or the politicos discussed here and elsewhere.

:mrgreen:
 
Abbazorkzog said:
This guy gets it. I'm not even anti-Immigration but this makes sense. Now the refugees are suffering because of unfettered immigration policies in Merkel's Germany.
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Agreed.

German guy said:
I don't mind a good new immigration law in Germany either; but that should be one that allows legal immigration (and a path to citizenship) for people we need, who are beneficial and won't cause trouble.

I like Canada's model: Give points for language skills, education degrees and job experience, and when you reach a certain number of points, you can apply. That way, you pick people who aren't likely to cause trouble.
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Sounds like a great way to do it....wish they would do that here.

German guy said:
It never is. Democracy thrives on wrong ideas. ;)
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But, it is so much better, than many other forms of Govt.
 
German guy said:
There is a difference between asylum and immigration.

Most of the people who have been coming since last year are seeking asylum. Many will probably not even accepted and turned down, and of those who remain, none of them is an immigrant insofar as he'd be allowed to stay even beyond the point he can return home safely. Assuming there will be peace in Syria and Iraq, most will be sent home.

Now I'm just hoping that my government enforces these laws.
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How does Merkel get people to believe that lie. Deporting asylum seekers is much harder than not offering them temporary asylum or turning the boats around. If Germany want to deport an asylum seeker, then they have to prove they are not in danger (not easy), prove they are from a certain country, and they need to make a deal with their home country. The result of this, is that most of them will stay in Germany permanently. That has always been the case before, and it will be the case now.

So Germans need to ask themselves. If they want a million new asylum seekers each year, higher taxes, more crime and worse welfare, then vote for Merkel or SPD. If Germans want to stop this madness, then they only have one choice.
 
Camlon said:
How does Merkel get people to believe that lie. Deporting asylum seekers is much harder than not offering them temporary asylum or turning the boats around. If Germany want to deport an asylum seeker, then they have to prove they are not in danger (not easy), prove they are from a certain country, and they need to make a deal with their home country. The result of this, is that most of them will stay in Germany permanently. That has always been the case before, and it will be the case now.

So Germans need to ask themselves. If they want a million new asylum seekers each year, higher taxes, more crime and worse welfare, then vote for Merkel or SPD. If Germans want to stop this madness, then they only have one choice.
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Uhm, no. Asylum seekers can easily be turned down, in fact, half of them are. And all remaining can easily lose their status, if the government just declares their home country a "safe place of origin". If necessary, that could happen quickly.

Besides, there are not "one million per year" coming. The numbers have been reduced drastically already, due to the Balkans closing their borders, due to Greece securing its borders and Turkey taking in/keeping more.

There even is a glimmer of hope for peace in Syria, and once there indeed is one, most who are here already can easily be sent back.

Now if you question the government's will to actually enforce all these laws, is a different matter. But I'm confident that when the pressure from the voters just grows big enough, they'll take care of it.
 
MickeyW said:
German voters' damning verdict on open-door migration: Angela Merkel is punished in crucial state elections as far-Right party wins big vote with call to stop flow of refugees

German Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative CDU party was humiliated in key regional elections on Sunday as voters delivered their verdict at the ballot box about her open-door refugee policies.

Exit poll results in three out of 16 German states foretell a wipeout in next year's general election as the hard-right capitalized on public disquiet and altered the political landscape forever.

Angela Merkel is punished in Germany's elections as Anti Immigration party wins big | Daily Mail Online


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And Merkel's probably scratching her head (which means she's also scratching her butt), wondering what happened.

Well, let me save you the trouble Angie: The German people are sick and tired of the perverted scum you let in en masse from the Third World!
 
German guy said:
Uhm, no. Asylum seekers can easily be turned down, in fact, half of them are. And all remaining can easily lose their status, if the government just declares their home country a "safe place of origin". If necessary, that could happen quickly.

Besides, there are not "one million per year" coming. The numbers have been reduced drastically already, due to the Balkans closing their borders, due to Greece securing its borders and Turkey taking in/keeping more.

There even is a glimmer of hope for peace in Syria, and once there indeed is one, most who are here already can easily be sent back.

Now if you question the government's will to actually enforce all these laws, is a different matter. But I'm confident that when the pressure from the voters just grows big enough, they'll take care of it.
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You can turn them down, but they are still living in your country and they are still a burden on the state. The hard bit is not to reject them, but to deport them out of your country. It can be done, but it is much easier to control your borders or not offer them temporary asylum. If you ignore that the courts will stop many deportations, just think about all the cases where the country will refuse to cooperate or even take back their own citizens.

And historically the groups coming to Germany has gotten asylum in much more than 50 percent of the cases. They are also the groups that are harder to deport if you choose to reject them.

And no the Balkan route is not closed, just recently 2000 broke through Macedonia border. Most aren't trying to go north before the weather gets better, and eastern Europe won't be able to stop them. And if Greece or Turkey is stopping them, then explain why the flow this year is 5 times higher than last year. Your almost certainly will get a million asylum seekers in 2016.potentially more. Don't believe the lies of Angela Merkel.
 
Carjosse said:
I applaud Merkel she is standing up for what is right despite losing the support of xenophobes.
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Being logical about your immigration policies should in no way be considered xenophobic, it should be applauded. I am more worried about the logicalphobes...or might it be the commonsensicalphobes? Or perhaps we should settle for just describing them as the not quite sufficiently attentive lot?
 
Oh come now, let's leave the names and labels to the Left! :)

Indeed, the leftosphere's in panic about what's happening in Germany, as reflected in one of their journals: https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/42342/Election+breakthrough+for+racists+sends+warning+from+Germany


Well, it's the consequences of PC behaviour which led to this. The enlightened German Establishment were warned by events a good few times that this 'rapefugee' scandal was the backbreaking straw. But Merkel and friends are now so arrogant that they were still caught off-guard, having had their way so long.

And all because, on one level, they did not want to seive any propspective refugees. And on a larger level, due to easy solution coolie labour economies and old 'imperial' guilt.
 
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