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Far-Right Anti-Merkel Rises in Germany... The right-wing populists of Europe...

Words fail me. You acknowledge that she advocates shooting refugees trying to cross into Germany in post one and then four posts later say Germany should give her a chance (at power?)

Why?

he likes shooting people i guess
 
Ja! Das ist gut...
 
Nazi may stand for national socialism but it has nothing to do with socialism except maybe a love for authoritarianism. In fact one of the key tenants of Nazism is hatred of socialists and communists. The left always opposed Hitler, and Hitler had always been part of the far-right. The enabling act was only passed after all the members of the Communist Party were arrested and the Social Democrats were threatened or psychically prevented from voting. Then before that the brown shirts harassed, threatened, and attacked left-wing publications, supporters, and party meetings.
Another aspect, the most infamous in fact, was the Nazi hatred of Jews.

The evidence is clear that Muslims by and large hate Jews, yet no one from the Left ever accuses Muslims of Jewophobia when Israel or Jews are murdered or threatened. Yet they happily trot out the silly term "Islamophobia", despite the massing of evidence demonstrating Islamic violence around the world.

If we look at the criticism of Jews, or those who organize trade groups or other embargoes against Israel, it is always Leftists. Few Leftists, including the US President, would even mentioned that Jews were targeted and murdered during the Charlie Hebdo massacre. Jews are far more likely to be attacked, and are being driven out of Europe, but the left remains largely silent, concentrating instead on "Islamophobia". Of course these were also the same people who took the wrong side during the Cold War so they are not the best nor brightest humanity has to offer.

While no one wants to be identified with an historical figure like Adolf Hitler there are many leftists who do share a portion of his emotional antipathy toward Jews. The evidence is there.
 
Ive been expecting this and I expected it sooner, merkel is putting the german people through hell. I dont know what her motivations are but shes making a bad problem much worse in Europe. Why should europeans host refugees in the millions pay the cost of keeping them and be subjected to crimes in the process. Its insane to me.
 
Ive been expecting this and I expected it sooner, merkel is putting the german people through hell. I dont know what her motivations are but shes making a bad problem much worse in Europe. Why should europeans host refugees in the millions pay the cost of keeping them and be subjected to crimes in the process. Its insane to me.
Few European leaders haven't been making much sense over the past few decades but with one exception being Nigel Farage.
 
Few European leaders haven't been making much sense over the past few decades but with one exception being Nigel Farage.

Heh truth be told you sent me to google who he was, sounds like hes got his head on right about protecting his people. This isnt about hating muslims with me or being uncaring about the plight of others. It just doesnt make sense to me to extend a hand to others that cost you millions then have your citizens who are PAYING live with more violent crime especially against women.
 
Ms. Petry, a rising far-right leader, has said border guards might need to turn guns on anyone crossing a frontier illegally.

She's a lunatic who advocates shooting refugees trying to cross into Germany.

Erich Honecker would be so proud of her.
 
Ive been expecting this and I expected it sooner, merkel is putting the german people through hell. I dont know what her motivations are but shes making a bad problem much worse in Europe. Why should europeans host refugees in the millions pay the cost of keeping them and be subjected to crimes in the process. Its insane to me.

Fine except for one word Ipast: 'refugees'. Even the ultra pro immigration Socialist/Green Swedish government estimates that fewer than a quarter of the vast numbers coming here are actually refugees; three quarters are economic migrants. Most of these are well content with a work-free life living on lavish welfare benefits - Swedish official figures: after 10 years in the country 80% of non-EU migrants have never been employed.
 
She's a lunatic who advocates shooting refugees trying to cross into Germany.

Erich Honecker would be so proud of her.

And Erich Honecker would be proud of your ability to distort what people have said.
 
Fine except for one word Ipast: 'refugees'. Even the ultra pro immigration Socialist/Green Swedish government estimates that fewer than a quarter of the vast numbers coming here are actually refugees; three quarters are economic migrants. Most of these are well content with a work-free life living on lavish welfare benefits - Swedish official figures: after 10 years in the country 80% of non-EU migrants have never been employed.

I lump them together but europe at merkels behest has taken in millions of refugees across the continent
 
I lump them together but europe at merkels behest has taken in millions of refugees across the continent

Using the word 'refugees' plays into the hands of the left. Their propaganda line is that if these people are not admitted into Europe they will be killed in their countries of origin, or the countries that they have passed through.
 
And Erich Honecker would be proud of your ability to distort what people have said.

You're suggesting the comment attributed to Frauke Petry in the link in the OP isn't accurate?

Ms. Petry, a rising far-right leader, has said border guards might need to turn guns on anyone crossing a frontier illegally.
 
Using the word 'refugees' plays into the hands of the left. Their propaganda line is that if these people are not admitted into Europe they will be killed in their countries of origin, or the countries that they have passed through.

Ok like I said I lump them together and I guess I should not and I agree that economic immigrants are causing much of the problem and the best example of that is France who had a nightmare on their hand before the refugee rush. They were having riots and violence right along. So we agree :) it was my bad wording
 
She's a lunatic who advocates shooting refugees trying to cross into Germany. Erich Honecker would be so proud of her.
Of course these refugees could stop crossing the order into Germany. That would be another option.
 
Of course these refugees could stop crossing the order into Germany. That would be another option.

Too late for that, we cant stop anyone from entering the US from the mexican border
 
Of course these refugees could stop crossing the order into Germany. That would be another option.

I make no apology for not being ok with some lunatic suggesting that refugees fleeing from a war zone might need to be shot if they attempt to cross into Germany. That is just crazy talk.
 
I make no apology for not being ok with some lunatic suggesting that refugees fleeing from a war zone might need to be shot if they attempt to cross into Germany. That is just crazy talk.
Perhaps they should investigate other options before they enter Germany otherwise they may just be going from one war zone to another. They may find more security in their homelands and Germans might feel more secure as well.

You needn't apologize for your opinion.
 
Fascism isn't a far-right ideology. Fascism is collectivist. Far right is anarchy.

You are different left-right political spectrum then, I use the traditional one with stuff like Nazism being far-right and Communism being far-left.
 
Another aspect, the most infamous in fact, was the Nazi hatred of Jews.

The evidence is clear that Muslims by and large hate Jews, yet no one from the Left ever accuses Muslims of Jewophobia when Israel or Jews are murdered or threatened. Yet they happily trot out the silly term "Islamophobia", despite the massing of evidence demonstrating Islamic violence around the world.

If we look at the criticism of Jews, or those who organize trade groups or other embargoes against Israel, it is always Leftists. Few Leftists, including the US President, would even mentioned that Jews were targeted and murdered during the Charlie Hebdo massacre. Jews are far more likely to be attacked, and are being driven out of Europe, but the left remains largely silent, concentrating instead on "Islamophobia". Of course these were also the same people who took the wrong side during the Cold War so they are not the best nor brightest humanity has to offer.

While no one wants to be identified with an historical figure like Adolf Hitler there are many leftists who do share a portion of his emotional antipathy toward Jews. The evidence is there.

Are you going to provide any evidence for that, at all?
 
Hitler wasn't far right.

"According to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics, in liberal democracies, the political Right opposes socialism and social democracy. Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and, on the far Right, racists and fascists."
 
Do not buy into the silly notion that to oppose uncontrolled mass migration is 'far right'. AfD is called 'far right' by the establishment who are trying to frighten people away from voting for it The tone of of the NYT article is heavily slanted. It talks of AfD having "elbowed its way in" to some regional assemblies. Translation: some Germans have voted for this perfectly respectable and democratic political party. It is not by even the wildest stretch of imagination remotely comparable to the Nazis. To suggest that it is is hysterical nonsense.

That is how the Nazis started too.
 
So if it isnt right wing and not left wing, why don't you just do us all a favor and quit calling it right wing. I mean, as just expressed here by me in my last post, it may not be solely socialistic, but it is far more so than it is the other way. The other way, the right is somewhat hard to define in Europe of those days.

But usually when right wing is accused, without drawing the line, one almost automatically links it to US right wing... which ironically is actually liberal, classical liberal anyhow.

"According to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics, in liberal democracies, the political Right opposes socialism and social democracy. Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and, on the far Right, racists and fascists." I think they would know what they are talking about.
 
"According to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics, in liberal democracies, the political Right opposes socialism and social democracy. Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and, on the far Right, racists and fascists." I think they would know what they are talking about.
They, like most who have not delved into these issues beyond the shallowest of surfaces, have been influenced by decades long misinformation as to the true nature of Nazism, Fascism and what is meant by the Right and the far Right. Expressly by liberals, like yourself, who are also ill informed, knowingly or unwittingly, by agenda driven academic elites who keep pushing this misinformation.

Shame shame. Time to clean up the mess.
 
They, like most who have not delved into these issues beyond the shallowest of surfaces, have been influenced by decades long misinformation as to the true nature of Nazism, Fascism and what is meant by the Right and the far Right. Expressly by liberals, like yourself, who are also ill informed, knowingly or unwittingly, by agenda driven academic elites who keep pushing this misinformation.

Shame shame. Time to clean up the mess.
let me guess. It's the fault of "Cultural Marxism"
 
They, like most who have not delved into these issues beyond the shallowest of surfaces, have been influenced by decades long misinformation as to the true nature of Nazism, Fascism and what is meant by the Right and the far Right. Expressly by liberals, like yourself, who are also ill informed, knowingly or unwittingly, by agenda driven academic elites who keep pushing this misinformation.

Shame shame. Time to clean up the mess.

What misinformation, I have looked into this and researched more extensively than most people ever will. That is even how it is defined in my textbooks. In the traditional left-right spectrum that is what Nazis are. Nazis have similar populist agendas to socialists but exceptions are made to those of the right race or ethnicity and equality, one of the core tenants of socialism is thrown out of the window. It is how it is defined and was imagined at the time.
 
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