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UN says EU-Turkey refugee deal would violate law

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2016 is shaping up to be quite interesting.

UN says EU-Turkey refugee deal would violate law

Plan would be tantamount to blanket return of foreigners to third country, which is not consistent with law, UNHCR says.
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The UN's refugee agency, UNHCR, has criticised the plans drawn up by Turkey and the EU, saying they would amount to a violation of human rights.
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"The collective expulsion of foreigners is prohibited under the European Convention of Human Rights," Vincent Cochetel, UNHCR's Europe regional director, said in Geneva on Tuesday.
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On Monday, Turkey offered to take back all refugees and migrants who cross into Europe from its soil in return for more money, faster EU membership talks and quicker visa-free travel for Turks.

EU leaders accepted the offer in principle, with Donald Tusk, European Council president, saying the deal was a "breakthrough" that sent "a very clear message that the days of irregular migration are over".
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From my perspective, it seems ostensibly clear that the EU leaders have been blackmailed and bribed by the Turkish leadership. Everything about this utterly stinks.

Several other groups have also voiced deep concerns about the plan intended to stem the flow.
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Save the Children, the UK-based charity, said that in Europe, one in four asylum applicants is a child.
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"Any returns of individuals who have not had their asylum applications properly considered, or who are returned to a country where they do not have the right to international protection, would be illegal under international refugee law," it said in a statement.
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I'm gonna have to side with the UN on this. I think Turkey is utilizing Europe's general and overall disdain for human life and the consequences of sucking up to imperialistic US foreign policy to manipulate them into allowing a potentially dangerous Pact to arise, and the whole thing looks evil.
I used to support the EU as a collective bloc for coordinating and sustaining peace on the continent, but now I'm beginning to think they are becoming more of a bane to the international community. Is it me or is Russia beginning to look like the lesser of two evils?
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
2016 is shaping up to be quite interesting.

UN says EU-Turkey refugee deal would violate law











From my perspective, it seems ostensibly clear that the EU leaders have been blackmailed and bribed by the Turkish leadership. Everything about this utterly stinks.







I'm gonna have to side with the UN on this. I think Turkey is utilizing Europe's general and overall disdain for human life and the consequences of sucking up to imperialistic US foreign policy to manipulate them into allowing a potentially dangerous Pact to arise, and the whole thing looks evil.
I used to support the EU as a collective bloc for coordinating and sustaining peace on the continent, but now I'm beginning to think they are becoming more of a bane to the international community. Is it me or is Russia beginning to look like the lesser of two evils?
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The Deal seems perfectly EU in character and by treatment of the law. Contested in a European court the deal would almost certainly stand. The refugees would no longer be on the ground and visible to the citizens and the inhumanity would be no longer a European problem, as it would be a third party committing it. Here in Germany it made no difference in public debate that Greeks were dying of cancer without painkillers, because Schäuble had forced spending cuts to the bone. This is quite typical of Europe.
 
joG said:
The Deal seems perfectly EU in character and by treatment of the law. Contested in a European court the deal would almost certainly stand. The refugees would no longer be on the ground and visible to the citizens and the inhumanity would be no longer a European problem, as it would be a third party committing it. Here in Germany it made no difference in public debate that Greeks were dying of cancer without painkillers, because Schäuble had forced spending cuts to the bone. This is quite typical of Europe.
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I don't think Europe can be blamed entirely, or much at all, for the ME disintegration. What they can be blamed for is a lack of communication and a unified response.
 
gunner said:
I don't think Europe can be blamed entirely, or much at all, for the ME disintegration. What they can be blamed for is a lack of communication and a unified response.
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Though, I might not agree with your opinion of the Europeans lack of blame for the ME misery, that is not, what I was talking about primarily. The focus is in the high level of human rights the EU and many members preach and the utter lack of them, when it comes to letting the peoples others and their own writhe in misery for practically no reason.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I'd say it's just you thinks that.
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I think, you might be right to believe that the Russians are worse than the present EU or its members. It is just that they hold their values so righteously high and criticize everyone else, while they never hold their own proclaimed standards. Why they do not stand by the peoples' protection when the costs are even minimal like in Greece or this case.
 
Most Europeans do not care if it is illegal they just want the invasion to stop. Looks like the EU instead of letting them cross into Europe across the Med from Turkey looks like they are going to put them on planes to fly them in to Europe so they can then become a burden on state and society.
 
why do i care what the UN says? it's an organization that put saudi arabia on the human rights council, enough said.
 
joG said:
Though, I might not agree with your opinion of the Europeans lack of blame for the ME misery, that is not, what I was talking about primarily. The focus is in the high level of human rights the EU and many members preach and the utter lack of them, when it comes to letting the peoples others and their own writhe in misery for practically no reason.
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What utter lack of human rights?
 
gunner said:
What utter lack of human rights?
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I was thinking of the Greeks with cancer left to die without pain medication and any number of other situations.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I'd say they're about equal or approaching equivalent levels of nefariousness at this point, but let's observe this situation and await the outcome.
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But take note of the fact that the solution first proposed by the EU was, what it was.
 
joG said:
I was thinking of the Greeks with cancer left to die without pain medication and any number of other situations.
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So you're thinking of situations that happen all over the developed world?
 
Ben K. said:
So you're thinking of situations that happen all over the developed world?
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Maybe there are suc cases in every nation on earth. In Greece the decision was willful by the EU and its members and affected large numbers of people previously insured by the government.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
2016 is shaping up to be quite interesting.

UN says EU-Turkey refugee deal would violate law











From my perspective, it seems ostensibly clear that the EU leaders have been blackmailed and bribed by the Turkish leadership. Everything about this utterly stinks.







I'm gonna have to side with the UN on this. I think Turkey is utilizing Europe's general and overall disdain for human life and the consequences of sucking up to imperialistic US foreign policy to manipulate them into allowing a potentially dangerous Pact to arise, and the whole thing looks evil.
I used to support the EU as a collective bloc for coordinating and sustaining peace on the continent, but now I'm beginning to think they are becoming more of a bane to the international community. Is it me or is Russia beginning to look like the lesser of two evils?
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And they should tell the UN to go jump in a lake.
 
joG said:
I was thinking of the Greeks with cancer left to die without pain medication and any number of other situations.
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Greece was allowed to borrow when the EU knew it could not repay. Now they are left as an economic basket case. The economy will not recover to a decent level of employment-wages for decades. meanwhile Germany will still have their markets thru the EU for their products.
 
JANFU said:
Greece was allowed to borrow when the EU knew it could not repay. Now they are left as an economic basket case. The economy will not recover to a decent level of employment-wages for decades. meanwhile Germany will still have their markets thru the EU for their products.
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The guy crippled by the mafia never comes back. The Capo usually continues to live well.
 
joG said:
The guy crippled by the mafia never comes back. The Capo usually continues to live well.
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Agreed, the EU should be regarded with intense scrutiny as it is essentially a political shell entity being utilized to maintain the dominion of Germany over the rest of Europe. I think this may be why the UK is moving away, perhaps they realize the EU has been compromised by a foreign government, namely Berlin/Brussels.
 
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