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Reasons to leave the EU thread

UK Parliamentary Report: there is truth in the claim the UK could negotiate its own trade deals outside the EU

Some argue that membership of the EU allows the UK to benefit from better trade deals than it would be able to negotiate on its own.

On the other hand, EU membership entails some compromises and limits the UK’s ability to prioritise its own interests. Leaving the EU would allow the UK to set its own trade and investments policies but there could be costs in doing so on its own rather than as part of a group of countries.
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Infinite Chaos said:
UK Parliamentary Report: there is truth in the claim the UK could negotiate its own trade deals outside the EU
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Interesting that you'd highlight the bit you did. You could have highlighted the following sentence and made the opposite point thus:

On the other hand, EU membership entails some compromises and limits the UK’s ability to prioritise its own interests. Leaving the EU would allow the UK to set its own trade and investments policies but there could be costs in doing so on its own rather than as part of a group of countries.
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Andalublue said:
Interesting that you'd highlight the bit you did. You could have highlighted the following sentence and made the opposite point thus:
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Andy, one is a fact the other is an unknwon. I wanted to only post facts in the reasons threads. Debate around whether and how much creating trade deals outside the EU could be in the general discussion thread as it's a matter for debate (Once I get Pete to accept that sovereignty is an issue whether there are obvious examples or not - then we can debate serious issues rather than sideshows.)
 
gunner said:
EU migration: UK to face 'free-for-all', Michael Gove warns - EU migration: UK to face 'free-for-all', Michael Gove warns - BBC News
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It's as if Gove believes the British people have no memory. From that article:
Mr Gove warned that five potential new members of the EU - Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Albania and Turkey - would result in millions more people having the right to move to the UK.
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The exact same scare tactic was used when Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU. Does he think no one remembers this:

?The UK is much better than Romania. All my mates will come in 2014?

"Twenty nine million Romanians and Bulgarians coming to the UK", said Farage. And what happened? 70,000 showed up, and UK unemployment fell, as it continues to do.

As we all know, the likelihood of Turkey joining the EU is next to zero, and remember, it has been the UK government that has been the strongest proponent of Turkey's accession, in the face of German and French opposition. If Gove's government has now changed its mind, that's the three strongest EU nations opposed to Turkey in the EU, yet still Gove floats the chimera. Fear mongering anyone?
 
Andalublue said:
It's as if Gove believes the British people have no memory. From that article:
The exact same scare tactic was used when Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU. Does he think no one remembers this:

?The UK is much better than Romania. All my mates will come in 2014?

"Twenty nine million Romanians and Bulgarians coming to the UK", said Farage. And what happened? 70,000 showed up, and UK unemployment fell, as it continues to do.

As we all know, the likelihood of Turkey joining the EU is next to zero, and remember, it has been the UK government that has been the strongest proponent of Turkey's accession, in the face of German and French opposition. If Gove's government has now changed its mind, that's the three strongest EU nations opposed to Turkey in the EU, yet still Gove floats the chimera. Fear mongering anyone?
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Are you not understanding the purpose of this thread? :doh
 
gunner said:
Are you not understanding the purpose of this thread? :doh
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If you mean, do I realise that debate on these reasons for leaving the EU is not invited then, yes I understand it, but choose not to let every bit of scare-mongering idiocy pass as a bona fide 'reason'. I don't believe IC intended the thread to be a repository of every bit of cheap propaganda.
 
Andalublue said:
If you mean, do I realise that debate on these reasons for leaving the EU is not invited then, yes I understand it, but choose not to let every bit of scare-mongering idiocy pass as a bona fide 'reason'. I don't believe IC intended the thread to be a repository of every bit of cheap propaganda.
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Then bring it out, so it can be debated accordingly; as Pete did, with my post above.
 
PeteEU said:
Basically the anti-EU people forget the past and ignore the fact that the red tape that they "hate" from the EU, most likely would still be needed even if the UK left the EU.
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Maybe, maybe not. One thing is for sure, they'd have more say if the legislation was a UK referendum rather than an EU referendum.

What is going on in the EU is similar to the US fight over state rights.

Where the EU had the best chance of success was when it was a thin film of regulations for inter-member commerce and a unified currency, not much different from the vision US conservatives have for a reformed US federal government.
 
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