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The British Monarchy.....

Andalublue said:
All you need to say about such fluff is that the difference in public appreciation of the monarchy and the tabloid press in the UK is enough to ignore stupid metrics. I don't want to see them freeloading either, but I'll cut Kate and Harry a bit of slack since she's a fairly recent second-time mother and a fairly hands-on one by all accounts. Harry was a full-time army officer for half of the year in question.
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I don't think he is lazy but that was the gist of the story posted in the Dutch newspaper (based on the sun article).

Kate was indeed a new mother so it is very logical that she doesn't go out of the country.

What do you think, should (if Queen Elizabeth dies) Charles become the new King or should it be William. Personally I say let Charles be king so that William and Kate can spend it bit more time with their children and let those children grow without the news media hounding them due to the fact that William and Kate are king and queen.
 
Peter King said:
I don't think he is lazy but that was the gist of the story posted in the Dutch newspaper (based on the sun article).

Kate was indeed a new mother so it is very logical that she doesn't go out of the country.

What do you think, should (if Queen Elizabeth dies) Charles become the new King or should it be William. Personally I say let Charles be king so that William and Kate can spend it bit more time with their children and let those children grow without the news media hounding them due to the fact that William and Kate are king and queen.
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I can agree with those reasons for William and Kate's family. I am worried though that Charles may become dictatorial with how activist he has claimed he wants his rule to be. I don't think the Monarchy should be activist in anyway, that is what the Prime Ministry and Parliament is for. I can understand standing up for things like human rights and the environment, but getting as involved in geopolitics as he wants to be is a bit unnerving. We will have to wait and see I guess.
 
Andalublue said:
Peter and Abbaz,

You do know this is a thread about the British monarchy, don't you? :confused:
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Which, in the end, is all about the Germans. ;)
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I can agree with those reasons for William and Kate's family. I am worried though that Charles may become dictatorial with how activist he has claimed he wants his rule to be. I don't think the Monarchy should be activist in anyway, that is what the Prime Ministry and Parliament is for. I can understand standing up for things like human rights and the environment, but getting as involved in geopolitics as he wants to be is a bit unnerving. We will have to wait and see I guess.
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Queen Beatrix could have abdicated after her husband died and shortly after that her mother and her father. But she decided that her son needed more time with his family without them living in a golden cage. So she remained in power until her 75th year and then decided to abdicate on her birthday in favor of her 46 year old son.

To me that is how it should be, if he also remains in power for 30 years, then his daughter will succeed him when she is about 40 years old. Giving her time to be a mother without the pressures of a crown weighing her down.
 
Peter King said:
Queen Beatrix could have abdicated after her husband died and shortly after that her mother and her father. But she decided that her son needed more time with his family without them living in a golden cage. So she remained in power until her 75th year and then decided to abdicate on her birthday in favor of her 46 year old son.

To me that is how it should be, if he also remains in power for 30 years, then his daughter will succeed him when she is about 40 years old. Giving her time to be a mother without the pressures of a crown weighing her down.
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This attitude of the Dutch monarchs seems eminently sensible to me. I'm really not sure why Liz has always felt so adamant that abdication is not an option.
 
Andalublue said:
This attitude of the Dutch monarchs seems eminently sensible to me. I'm really not sure why Liz has always felt so adamant that abdication is not an option.
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Maybe out of misguided sense of duty or the fact that those before her did not abdicate. It could also be that she does not trust her son and his second wife to take over the crown and the leadership of the church of England due to his divorce (and other reasons like maybe a bit to extreme to be king?).
 
Peter King said:
Maybe out of misguided sense of duty or the fact that those before her did not abdicate.
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He uncle did, and I suspect that that sad episode may have coloured her views.

It could also be that she does not trust her son
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Possible.

and his second wife
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Unlikely, since a consort has virtually zero influence, and because Liz and Cam apparently get on better than Liz ever got on with Chaz or Di.

to take over the crown and the leadership of the church of England due to his divorce
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She doesn't lead the CofE any more than she leads the country.
(and other reasons like maybe a bit to extreme to be king?).
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He's not extreme. A bit quirky and opinionated, but not extreme by any measure.
 
Andalublue said:
He uncle did, and I suspect that that sad episode may have coloured her views.

Possible.

Unlikely, since a consort has virtually zero influence, and because Liz and Cam apparently get on better than Liz ever got on with Chaz or Di.

She doesn't lead the CofE any more than she leads the country.He's not extreme. A bit quirky and opinionated, but not extreme by any measure.
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Really, I think she has some power in the church

The Sovereign holds the title 'Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England'.

Archbishops and bishops are appointed by The Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister, who considers the names selected by a Church Commission. They take an oath of allegiance to The Queen on appointment and may not resign without Royal authority.

Following acceptance of the Measures by both Houses of Parliament (which cannot amend them), they are submitted for Royal Assent and become law.

In addition to legislating for the Church by Measure, the General Synod has the power to legislate by Canon in its own domestic affairs such as worship and doctrine, but The Queen's assent is required for the promulgation of such Canons. Such assent is given on the Home Secretary's advice.

The Preface to the 39 Articles of the Church of England describes the monarch as 'being by God's Ordinance, according to Our just Title, Defender of the Faith and ... Supreme Governor of the Church of England'.
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Andalublue said:
Don't be deceived by words. And 500 year old words at that.
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Either way that is kind of scary. Imagine if an extremist Christian fundamentalist takes power in the UK and decides to make an attempt on fulfilling the Book of Revelations?
Even that is too much power.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Either way that is kind of scary. Imagine if an extremist Christian fundamentalist takes power in the UK and decides to make an attempt on fulfilling the Book of Revelations?
Even that is too much power.
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Britain really doesn't do Christian fundamentalism. Any politician that invokes God or Jesus Christ in his/her campaigning is likely to lose, not gain votes. Get all God-bothery and British voters will assume you've got a screw loose.
 
:mrgreen:We should get rid of the monarchy.They are undemocratic,lets have merit not inherit.
 
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