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The British Monarchy.....

Sweden said:
For once I can agree with you Abbazöorkzog. It was, as you say, nothing more than coincidence.
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Oh, and Prince Bernhard was TOTALLY NEVER a an SS member before marrying into the Dutch Royal Family.
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Dutch Prince Bernhard was member of Nazi party

Monarchie - PERsonen A-Z: Prinz Bernhard

Bernhard studierte Jura in München, Lausanne und Berlin. 1935 trat er in den Dienst der I.G. Farben, für deren Pariser Vertretung er tätig wurde. Er gehörte der SA und Reiter-SS an. Das Rijksinstituut voor Oorlogsdocumentatie fand auch Belege für seine Mitgliedschaft in der NSDAP.
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Translation: Bernhard studied law in Munich, Lausanne and Berlin. In 1935 he entered the service of I.G. Colors, for its Paris showing he was active. He belonged to the SA and SS - Reiter. The Royal Institute for War Documentation was also evidence of his membership in the NSDAP .

Dabei kam das an die deutsche Nationalhymne von den Nationalsozialisten angehängte Horst-Wessel-Lied zu Gehör. Juliana und Bernhard bezogen Palais Soestdijk.
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Translation: Here, the attached to the German national anthem by the Nazis Horst Wessel song came to be heard . Juliana and Bernhard based Soestdijk Palace .

The Nazi-Bilderberg connection is uncanny and undeniable. Conspiracies do exist, you just fail to realize the difference between conspiracy theories and conspiracy realities. Bilderberg is a Neo-Fascist/Imperialist terrorist organization. The simple fact that Bernhard was a Nazi at all brings into scrutiny and suspicion ANYTHING he has done, top that off with the fact that Bilderberg refuses any media access to their inner workings. What are they hiding? Occam's Razor stipulates something Aryan in nature.
 
Jack of Devon said:
....A wonderful institution; the envy of the world, providing continuity, safeguarding the constitution and bringing in millions in tourism money?

Or

An indefensible relic of imperialism and privilege , undermining democracy, perpetuating the class system and a drain on tax payers ?
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The center piece of England. The Irish harp is out of touch, but the monarchy is a solid and valuable member of European history and contemporary leadership.
 
Heinrich said:
The topic is about the British Monarchy and that does underpin the whole class system with which the English are obsessed.
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Yes, but you can end the upper class nonsense in the UK and still allow for a royal family to function. And English people are obsessed by loads of things, some more baffling than others (like the full English breakfast ;)).
 
Abbazorkzog said:
The first Bilderberg conference got its namesake from the Hotel in the Dutch town of Oosterbeek where the world elite convened on May 29, 1954.
Roughly ten years earlier, in 1944, the Battle of Arnhem near Oosterbeek resulted in a crushing defeat of the Allies by Nazi Germany. Christiaan Lindemans was an associate of Prince Bernhard, and it was either incompetence or his reputation as a double-agent that led to the intelligence failure which in turn led to the massacre in the Hexenkessel in 1944.

But, yeah, it's totally nothing more than coincidence that Prince Bernhard himself chaired the first Bilderberg meeting not far from that exact spot.

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I am sorry but your conspiracy theory nonsense is just that. Nonsense. Who cares that the Bilderberg Hotel was close to the location of the battle of Arnhem? It was perfectly suited for the purpose, conference rooms, good hotel accommodation and privacy.

Lindemans was a traitor and got his just reward for his treason after the war ended when they were preparing to try him but he saved the Dutch government loads of time and money by killing himself.

Still does not say anything about the choice of Bernhard (and others) of the Bilderberg hotel or the Bilderberg conferences themselves. And it most certainly is not evidence of Philip and Charles being traitors.
 
Sweden said:
I, a British republican, hope Elizabeth lives and reigns another 20 years. King Charles the Foolish would be even worse.
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I would agree, but I would have much rather seen her abdicate in favor of her grandson or her son when he was of an age that he was at least somewhat relevant. And I have to say the English where very unlucky in the royal line to the throne by having Charles in there after his much more respectable and honorable mother. But, maybe he would not have been such a terrible king if he had been given the chance to be king (which in theory could still happen, it is his birthright).
 
Sweden said:
We have moved a long way in that direction here in Sweden and Crown Princess Victoria is personally admirable. I would vote for her as president but I should have that vote.
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That is your opinion for your country. I am perfectly happy with royals like Juliana, Beatrix and now Willem-Alexander and Maxima.

Our royals abdicate at a reasonable age, normally they give the next in line time to have a family and live as a family without the responsibilities of being King and Queen weighing them and their family life down. And it also means that princess Beatrix is still around as a confidant for her son and as an important source of advice should he want that. If Queen Elizabeth dies, there is no advice she will be able to impart on her son or grandson if they become king. Her potential guiding role in sculpting the new Kings rule is a non-starter because she will not be alive to give advice.

And personally, I think new kings and queens are often in need of some good advice from someone who has done it all before.
 
The Monarchy seems to play a major role in British culture and identity and I would wonder what the country would be like (change the name of the UK for starters?) without them.

Personally Im not a UK citizen so Im neutral but I do find it amusing that the Brits revel in a family thats essentially a bunch of transplanted Germans since the original British royal houses died out centuries ago.
 
PoS said:
Personally Im not a UK citizen so Im neutral but I do find it amusing that the Brits revel in a family thats essentially a bunch of transplanted Germans since the original British royal houses died out centuries ago.
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Where do you think half the satirical comedy that Brits enjoy so much would come from if we didn't see the irony in that? You know that the Queen's husband is generally referred to as Phil the Greek, don't you?

FYI, a minority of Brits do any 'revelling' in the Royals, it's just that most people can't think of an alternative system that would be better. A combined elected head of state and head of government doesn't work terribly well. An elected but ceremonial head of state seems a bit pointless - why elect someone to a position that holds only ceremonial function?

I hate the way the monarchy represents the fixed state of the British class system, but honestly, it's really a pretty low priority. Much higher up the priority list for me would be an electoral system that represented what the British people want; a supreme/constitutional court with democratic accountability; and a reverse of the London-oriented centralism that has been accelerating since the late-Seventies such that public investment in the capital outstrips investment in all other regions by a s*** load.

Priorities, people!
 
Peter King said:
Yes, but you can end the upper class nonsense in the UK and still allow for a royal family to function. And English people are obsessed by loads of things, some more baffling than others (like the full English breakfast ;)).
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In England, many working class children, unlike their better-off middle class counterparts, do not go to school with a full English breakfast in their tummies.
 
Heinrich said:
In England, many working class children, unlike their better-off middle class counterparts, do not go to school with a full English breakfast in their tummies.
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My comments was just to say that people in the UK are obsessed with really baffling things (like a full English). It was not a comment about class warfare in the UK.

But there is an issue with food for children if there is a need for school lunches (warm ones) on UK schools.
 
Peter King said:
Yes, but you can end the upper class nonsense in the UK and still allow for a royal family to function. And English people are obsessed by loads of things, some more baffling than others (like the full English breakfast ;)).
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The only people who eat a full English breakfast in the UK nowadays are tourists in hotels.
 
_Sal said:
does a full English have kippers or anything fishie-gross?
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No. You would have kippers or kedgeree as an alternative.
A traditional full English breakfast includes bacon (traditionally back bacon), fried, poached or scrambled eggs, fried or grilled tomatoes, fried mushrooms, fried bread or toast with butter, sausages, and baked beans. Black pudding, bubble and squeak and hash browns are often also included.
 
zyzygy said:
No. You would have kippers or kedgeree as an alternative.
A traditional full English breakfast includes bacon (traditionally back bacon), fried, poached or scrambled eggs, fried or grilled tomatoes, fried mushrooms, fried bread or toast with butter, sausages, and baked beans. Black pudding, bubble and squeak and hash browns are often also included.
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sounds pretty basic like a big breakfast here in Canada too

haven't had bubble and squeak since I was a kid and I hate baked beans, and anything fishie...the rest sounds great, although I was never keen on fried bread
 
_Sal said:
sounds pretty basic like a big breakfast here in Canada too

haven't had bubble and squeak since I was a kid and I hate baked beans, and anything fishie...the rest sounds great, although I was never keen on fried bread
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I'm British and I was brought up on cereals and toast for breakfast. Not for economic reasons, there was no way that my mother or father was going to get up at 6 am to cook a full meal.
 
zyzygy said:
I'm British and I was brought up on cereals and toast for breakfast. Not for economic reasons, there was no way that my mother or father was going to get up at 6 am to cook a full meal.
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cereal toast and fruit, pretty much everyday fair yes...big breakfasts were saved as weekend treats

and usually it was "streaky bacon" and don't forget the HP sauce
 
Dinnertime in England

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Mommy, sometime can we go to the seaside in a coach?
 
Heinrich said:
Dinnertime in England

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Mommy, sometime can we go to the seaside in a coach?
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That would be breakfast or lunch.I loved baked beans on toast with a dollop of HP sauce. Nice garden behind that healthy looking kid. I doubt if the child actually enunciated your caption.
 
zyzygy said:
I loved baked beans on toast with a dollop of HP sauce. Nice garden behind that healthy looking kid. I doubt if the child actually enunciated your caption.
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maybe we had beans too much as a kid I don't know but I wouldn't eat them then and I sure as hell can barely choke them down now...they are an excellent source of fiber

and every Friday was fish...I hate fish although I do force it down

I see no garden

have fun at the seashore lol
 
There's nothing terribly unique about the Full English Breakfast, and frankly no one eats it daily, except perhaps those whose job is highly physical - farmers, miners, fishermen. It wouldn't be unusual for a full breakfast to total 2,000 calories. You don't eat that then sit behind a desk for 7 hours.

Every country within the UK has its own version. The Scots might add potato scones, perhaps their weird square sausage patties, who knows, even haggis. The Irish add white pudding and perhaps soda bread. The Welsh, cockles and laverbread. As a special treat no more than once a week, a Full ***** Breakfast is a beautiful thing. As a daily staple it's the way to wipe out a nation within the space of a generation.
 
_Sal said:
maybe we had beans too much as a kid I don't know but I wouldn't eat them then and I sure as hell can barely choke them down now...they are an excellent source of fiber

and every Friday was fish...I hate fish although I do force it down

I see no garden

have fun at the seashore lol
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The best Baked Beans are the ones you make yourself by frying some smoked bacon and finely chopped onion and red pepper until soft, then add tomato purée, Worcester sauce, tamarind paste, soy sauce, thyme, oregano, cumin and vegetable stock and then a whole load of haricot beans, soaked and cooked already for half-an-hour in salt water and drained. Mix everything together, pour into an oven-proof baking dish, cover with foil and bake in a 170C oven for about an hour, maybe hour-and-a-half. Best beans ever!
 
Andalublue said:
The best Baked Beans are the ones you make yourself by frying some smoked bacon and finely chopped onion and red pepper until soft, then add tomato purée, Worcester sauce, tamarind paste, soy sauce, thyme, oregano, cumin and vegetable stock and then a whole load of haricot beans, soaked and cooked already for half-an-hour in salt water and drained. Mix everything together, pour into an oven-proof baking dish, cover with foil and bake in a 170C oven for about an hour, maybe hour-and-a-half. Best beans ever!
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that sounds amazing, simply amazing...flavour wise

unfortunately for me, I can't get past the texture of beans...I don't know why or what it is but I can't :(
 
Andalublue said:
The best Baked Beans are the ones you make yourself by frying some smoked bacon and finely chopped onion and red pepper until soft, then add tomato purée, Worcester sauce, tamarind paste, soy sauce, thyme, oregano, cumin and vegetable stock and then a whole load of haricot beans, soaked and cooked already for half-an-hour in salt water and drained. Mix everything together, pour into an oven-proof baking dish, cover with foil and bake in a 170C oven for about an hour, maybe hour-and-a-half. Best beans ever!
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I haven't eaten baked beans for a long while but I'm going to try that.
 
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