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Spike in Swedish Boy / Girl ratio highlights migrant/refugee policy.

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"If you're underage, first of all, you get housing, you get more financial resources. You also have a lot of staff around you helping you with different issues," says Hanif Bali, a member of the opposition Moderate Party in the Swedish parliament - which is on the centre right of the political spectrum. "If you need food, clothing, everything, you can go to the municipality and demand this money."

But there is another even bigger benefit, which Bali believes is significant. "You have the right to family reunification. So you can bring all of your family to Sweden, if you are underage."

So there are huge incentives for getting to Sweden before you turn 18. This might explain why many young people make the journey at this point in their lives.

Interestingly, when you break down the data by nationality, the bump of applicants aged 16 from Afghanistan is particularly noticeable. There are about seven or eight times more 16-year-old refugees from Afghanistan than from Syria; Link.
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The right to family reunification policy sounds like something that Sweden and any other country has sounds like something politicians should be removing as quickly as possible. Equally, there should be speedy moves to ensure a policy of returning refugees one peace is established and another for removing failed applicants and economic migrants as soon as possible.

Vigilante groups and others are otherwise starting to take the law into their own hands as can be seen from events tonight at Stockholm railway station.
 
I think this is a key quote from the article:
Hudson's estimate for Sweden was calculated by adding asylum applicants in 2015 to the current population figures - and she is provisionally assuming that all applicants will be granted residency permits.
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Carjosse said:
I think this is a key quote from the article:
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It's a salient point but Sweden has also acknowledged that attempts to remove any failed applications will take time. What then happens is some will set down roots or simply stay long enough and with legal help be able to apply for family to come home.

The Swedes have already acknowledged that 80,000 of last year's applicants will be deported over an optimistic period of years. Meanwhile, weather conditions in the Med mean more will start arriving in this years' influx as there are no tangible signs of the flow being slowed or stopped.
 
I said it before...the international community should have established a refugee zone (say inside the Kurdish-held region of Syria - guarded/housed/fed by an international military force) where refugees could have lived in relative safety until the civil war ended.
 
Carjosse said:
I think this is a key quote from the article:
"Hudson's estimate for Sweden was calculated by adding asylum applicants in 2015 to the current population figures - and she is provisionally assuming that all applicants will be granted residency permits."
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Most of them will, lone asylum seekers under 18 nearly always get asylum in Sweden. Also, they can't even process their claims, they have no resources to deport large amounts of asylum seekers.

However, we must remember that many lie about their age. The afghans are probably around the same age as the Syrians, but they just claim to be below 18 to easier get asylum. They can do that, because Sweden don't check their age.
 
DA60 said:
I said it before...the international community should have established a refugee zone (say inside the Kurdish-held region of Syria - guarded/housed/fed by an international military force) where refugees could have lived in relative safety until the civil war ended.
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That would've been the most sensible policy, of course. That is why I agree the British government stance of providing aid for camps, in the area, not a policy of encouraging millions to flee.
 
I would like to know why more Muslim countries are not helping. Why are they getting a free pass on the world stage while native citizens of non Muslim countries are considered "Islamophobic" if they are not considered to be doing enough?
 
gunner said:
~ a policy of encouraging millions to flee.
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At some point, those who hold this policy must face inquiry. It's not as if there isn't a huge cost of millions of migrants and asylum seekers walking across Asia and Europe to get to a specific country.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I would like to know why more Muslim countries are not helping. Why are they getting a free pass on the world stage while native citizens of non Muslim countries are considered "Islamophobic" if they are not considered to be doing enough?
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The Saudis and other wealthy gulf nations must do more to help out but they are not so what's the answer to that? Is your Government going to put pressure on the Saudis and demand they do more? Not likely. They are as pathetic as my Government when it comes to the Saudis. They turn a blind eye. They have one of the worst human rights records in the world when it comes to religious freedoms, women’s rights and their treatment of dissidents. The Saudi's are prepared to flog their citizens to death for insulting Islam and it's largely ignored. The selective outrage is beyond obscene when it comes to the Saudis so don't get me started on that.

There are over 4 million Syrian Refugees already in Lebanon, Jordon, Turkey, Egypt and Iraq and Relief agencies are doing what they can but the situation is beyond dire. Half the country’s pre-war population (more than 11 million people) have been killed or forced to flee their homes. 7.6 million are internally displaced and we're seeing the worst exodus since the Rwandan genocide 20 years ago.

The conflict in Syria will soon be entering it's sixth year. Posters like myself and mbig have been expressing our concern for years here about the humanitarian crisis unfolding in front of our eyes and watching numbers of refugees increasing daily. World leaders and others did very little and only started giving a crap about the conflict when Islamic State started recording hostages getting their heads lopped off. Of course then it was too late, the numbers had increased to millions and the ship had already sailed. So yes, too little too late. The rest of the world sat back and did nothing while Assad indiscriminately slaughtered his own citizens and what we have today is ultimately the consequence of inaction initially.
 
Serenity said:
The Saudis and other wealthy gulf nations must do more to help out but they are not so what's the answer to that? Is your Government going to put pressure on the Saudis and demand they do more? Not likely. They are as pathetic as my Government when it comes to the Saudis. They turn a blind eye. They have one of the worst human rights records in the world when it comes to religious freedoms, women’s rights and their treatment of dissidents. The Saudi's are prepared to flog their citizens to death for insulting Islam and it's largely ignored. The selective outrage is beyond obscene when it comes to the Saudis so don't get me started on that.

There are over 4 million Syrian Refugees already in Lebanon, Jordon, Turkey, Egypt and Iraq and Relief agencies are doing what they can but the situation is beyond dire. Half the country’s pre-war population (more than 11 million people) have been killed or forced to flee their homes. 7.6 million are internally displaced and we're seeing the worst exodus since the Rwandan genocide 20 years ago.

The conflict in Syria will soon be entering it's sixth year. Posters like myself and mbig have been expressing our concern for years here about the humanitarian crisis unfolding in front of our eyes and watching numbers of refugees increasing daily. World leaders and others did very little and only started giving a crap about the conflict when Islamic State started recording hostages getting their heads lopped off. Of course then it was too late, the numbers had increased to millions and the ship had already sailed. So yes, too little too late. The rest of the world sat back and did nothing while Assad indiscriminately slaughtered his own citizens and what we have today is ultimately the consequence of inaction initially.
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Well said. Better than I could have put it.

I might get blasted for saying this but, the United States government has played a big part in creating this crisis. They had no idea what was going to happen with the vacuum they created in Iraq.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Well said. Better than I could have put it.

I might get blasted for saying this but, the United States government has played a big part in creating this crisis. They had no idea what was going to happen with the vacuum they created in Iraq.
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I believe the entire International Community could have done so much more. I saw a comment from another poster earlier which pretty much mirrors my thoughts RetiredUSN.

DA60 said:
I said it before...the international community should have established a refugee zone (say inside the Kurdish-held region of Syria - guarded/housed/fed by an international military force) where refugees could have lived in relative safety until the civil war ended.
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Infinite Chaos said:
The right to family reunification policy sounds like something that Sweden and any other country has sounds like something politicians should be removing as quickly as possible. Equally, there should be speedy moves to ensure a policy of returning refugees one peace is established and another for removing failed applicants and economic migrants as soon as possible.

Vigilante groups and others are otherwise starting to take the law into their own hands as can be seen from events tonight at Stockholm railway station.
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The headlines talk about 'Street Children Attacked' at Stockholm's main station but there is no actual evidence that this happened. No reports of injuries and only one arrest - for punching a policeman. Before the supposed 'attack' anti-migration activists had been handing out leaflets so the police and journos were there in numbers, and they didn't see any violence.
 
Sweden said:
The headlines talk about 'Street Children Attacked' at Stockholm's main station but there is no actual evidence that this happened. No reports of injuries and only one arrest - for punching a policeman. Before the supposed 'attack' anti-migration activists had been handing out leaflets so the police and journos were there in numbers, and they didn't see any violence.
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Oh I know, it's a bitch when the media starts taking stories and twisting them around and stuff ain't it. The irony.
 
William Rea said:
Oh I know, it's a bitch when the media starts taking stories and twisting them around and stuff ain't it. The irony.
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The problem with Sweden is that one side have monopoly on the official media, so it is almost impossible to point it out when they are lying or twisting incidents.
 
Camlon said:
The problem with Sweden is that one side have monopoly on the official media, so it is almost impossible to point it out when they are lying or twisting incidents.
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True Camlon and its not only the official media. There are only four national paper: two 'serious' and two 'tabloid'. All four are politically correct with the 'right' attitudes towards Immigration (good in every respect) the EU (wonderful) Man Made Climate Change (proven and it is up to the 10 million Swedes to save the world) the US (bad strangely because Obama is good) Their cutural coverage is uniformly progressive, leftist, modernist. The regional papers are very slightly more varied.

Why is this? Partly because the ultra-conformist Swedes are uneasy in the presence of different opinions. It's just so much more relaxing when everyone thinks - or at least says -
the same thing. More insidious all approved newspapers are subsidised - bribed? - with public money.
 
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