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Long Term Demographical Changes - Europe

International10 said:
First of all I do not need to show posts of someone else discussing the subject for which I created a "new forum" of discussion for. The very purpose of this is to touch on something that hasn't been discussed. If anything you have increased my satisfaction of creating something new to be discussed here. Your inability to comprehend and move beyond this simple concept is mind boggling in and of itself.

Second of all What is funny is how you lay the entire burden of proof on others while providing not a single piece of evidence to "prove" your own points. You ask me to prove that others have discussed this subject while you have as of yet failed to prove that this subject has not been discussed on this forum besides ofcourse "you havent seen it"
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International10 said:
Aside from recent news reports (regarding unprecedented crime, etc.), I want to ask those who are in favor of the current Mass-Migration to Europe if they have considered the long term demographic implications. By the end of this century it is not unreasonable to suggest that some western European countries will be approaching a majority Muslim population. This is due to a combination of the discrepancy in the birth rates of ethnic Europeans compared to those who are immigrating and obviously continued migration itself. Countries with relatively small populations such as Sweden are especially at risk of this dramatic shift.

If you have considered this, then are you for or against it and why?
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Funny how you ask for opinion, make claims as to Muslim Majorities within the EU by end century, yet offer no proof except opinion, no statistical links, nothing, absolutely nothing.
Just an attempt to create fear of Muslims? Is that the reason behind the OP????
 
JANFU said:
Funny how you ask for opinion, make claims as to Muslim Majorities within the EU by end century, yet offer no proof except opinion, no statistical links, nothing, absolutely nothing.
Just an attempt to create fear of Muslims? Is that the reason behind the OP????
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It's true, there should have been some credible links.
Of course, no one offered them in refutation either, including you.

And he made some excellent points, especially in light of the well known fact the Native/Native born fertility rate is drastically below replacement in the EU. Perhaps ranging from 1.2-1.6, with 2.1 needed just to break even.

So even assuming the Immigrant birth rate slows (it tends to), when you add all the new arrivals and their offspring, it's a double or triple whammy to the demographic balance. The populations could remain the same instead of shrinking 20-30% and just be replaced with different peoples.
The most common baby names in many cities (Paris, London, etc) are 'Mohammed' et al.

Already we have seen a significant result besides the Explosions in certain types of crime.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/126852-muslim-voters-change-europe-93-voted-hollande.html
Astonishing and generally unknown, at least here in the USA.
Many cities are already at 15-25%, including the EU Capital Brussels at app 25%.

And this was already an issue before the recent Flood of M-E immigrants.
Most sober opinion was that it was somewhat alarmist, as it was claimed by 2050. But the OP has given it another 50 years, in Addition to the previously unforeseen current influx.
 
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mbig said:
It's true, there should have been some credible links.
Of course, no one offered them in refutation either, including you.

And he made some excellent points, especially in light of the well known fact the Native/Native born fertility rate is drastically below replacement in the EU. Perhaps ranging from 1.2-1.6, with 2.1 needed just to break even.

So even assuming the Immigrant birth rate slows (it tends to), when you add all the new arrivals and their offspring, it's a double or triple whammy to the demographic balance. The populations could remain the same instead of shrinking 20-30% and just be replaced with different peoples.
The most common baby names in many cities (Paris, London, etc) are 'Mohammed' et al.

Already we have seen a significant result besides the Explosions in certain types of crime.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/126852-muslim-voters-change-europe-93-voted-hollande.html
Astonishing and generally unknown, at least here in the USA.
Many cities are already at 15-25%, including the EU Capital Brussels at app 25%.

And this was already an issue before the recent Flood of M-E immigrants.
Most sober opinion was that it was somewhat alarmist, as it was claimed by 2050. But the OP has given it another 50 years, in Addition to the previously unforeseen current influx.
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Not my part ship - His to bring the stats and other information to the OP
Mohamed is common, correct, and the reason is clear.
 
brothern said:
France is at 7% in a population of 66 million. (The highest % outside of Bulgaria, Turkey, Cypress, Albania, etc. which all have traditional Muslims populations.) Meaning you'd need an extra 62 million Muslims to make that anywhere close to true.

It ain't going to happen.
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Actually, Sweden is already higher. Reports indicate that Sweden had 5% muslims in 2010. Well, since then Sweden has gotten about 300K new muslims. That means Sweden already has 8% muslims.

If Sweden keeps up the current flow, then muslims will be the majority in 30 years. Even if Sweden Democrats win in 2018, and reject all asylum seekers, it will still increase to about 20% in 2030, and then gradually go higher. When the Muslim population increases, then it will depress the birth rate among natives, and it will lead to emigration. So it is perfectly reasonable that some European countries may turn Muslim.

It won't happen across europe, because other countries will respond by closing their borders.
 
JANFU said:
Not my part ship - His to bring the stats and other information to the OP
Mohamed is common, correct, and the reason is clear.
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When I made the comment I assumed that people were well informed enough to understand that many countries including Germany, Sweden, Italy etc. have extremely low birthrates and their populations are set to decline dramatically over the next century. This combined with the fact that there is a huge amount of immigration to Europe (and many of these immigrant populations have very high birth rates). Everything above considered it is a reasonable possibility that some western countries could see, as I said close to a majority Muslim population over the course of the next century.

There are many variables that could come into play over the next century that could change this scenario, however my point was to gauge what people thought about this possibility not to assert it as a certainty.

German population set to shrink by 10 million by 2060 | EurActiv

Italy is a 'dying country' says minister as birth rate plummets | World news | The Guardian

Germany's Muslim Demographic Revolution
 
JANFU said:
Funny how you ask for opinion, make claims as to Muslim Majorities within the EU by end century, yet offer no proof except opinion, no statistical links, nothing, absolutely nothing.
Just an attempt to create fear of Muslims? Is that the reason behind the OP????
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What exactly is funny about it? This is a discussion forum where "opinions" are to be discussed. You ridicule me for not providing absolute evidence for every word I said, but then provide not a single drop of evidence to refute a single word I said. That is a laughably ridiculous double standard.

Also yes that was the point of my comment. How should Europe feel about having a much larger and thereby influential Muslim population, I don't think I tried to make that a secret.

I personally am an atheist and am against any organized religion including Christianity and Islam in the same way someone might be against communism or socialism. If in your mind that makes me an Islamaphobe then fine. I am tired of people throwing that word around to try and instantly discredit someone as if it is impossible for a rational person to be against the spread of Islam around the world.
 
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