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Khadija Arib elected Speaker of the Dutch House of Representatives

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Instead of a more qualified politician (Martin Bosma, PVV), Dutch politicians in the House of Representatives have decided in favor of pissing off the PVV and elect an Arab woman as speaker of the House of Representatives. This woman doesn't even speak Dutch all that well, has dual citizenship and refuses to give up her Moroccan citizenship and is probably a loyalist to the King of Morocco. This despite the fact that an opinion poll (Maurice de Hond) showed that 32% of ordinary Dutchmen would have voted for Bosma and 23% for Arib and despite similar polls showing the PVV is in 2016 four times as popular as the PvdA, whereas four years ago this was the opposite.

It seems harming the country to appear politically correct is more important than selecting the most qualified person actually supported by the people.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadija_Arib#cite_note-2
 
Instead of a more qualified politician (Martin Bosma, PVV), Dutch politicians in the House of Representatives have decided in favor of pissing off the PVV and elect an Arab woman as speaker of the House of Representatives. This woman doesn't even speak Dutch all that well, has dual citizenship and refuses to give up her Moroccan citizenship and is probably a loyalist to the King of Morocco. This despite the fact that an opinion poll (Maurice de Hond) showed that 32% of ordinary Dutchmen would have voted for Bosma and 23% for Arib and despite similar polls showing the PVV is in 2016 four times as popular as the PvdA, whereas four years ago this was the opposite.

It seems harming the country to appear politically correct is more important than selecting the most qualified person actually supported by the people.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadija_Arib#cite_note-2

She's clearly more qualified that Bosma. Compare the two's careers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadija_Arib
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bosma

Her party holds 36 seats in the House, his party holds 12. Your argument has no value.
 
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For everyone's information: gain/loss of seats in the Tweede Kamer (House of Representatives) in opinion poll relative to the 2012 elections:

PvdA: -28 seats from 38 to 10
PVV: +23 seats from 15 to 38

That's a massacre, the VVD and PvdA have been butchered in polls. The PvdA will be lucky to exist after the next elections. I think their only remaining loyal voters are immigrants and hardcore commies.
 
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For everyone's information: gain/loss of seats in the Tweede Kamer (House of Representatives) in opinion poll relative to the 2012 elections:

PvdA: -28 seats from 38 to 10
PVV: +23 seats from 15 to 38

That's a massacre, the VVD and PvdA have been butchered in polls. The PvdA will be lucky to exist after the next elections. I think their only remaining loyal voters are immigrants and hardcore commies.
You think the position of speaker ought to be awarded according to opinion polls? Tell me of somewhere that uses that method. :doh
 
The Front Nationale was supposed to win big in the French regional elections according to polls but instead they failed miserably to Sarkozy's party. There was also no way a member of the PVV would be elected speaker, they are not part of the governing coalition and never will be. Also what is wrong with dual citizenship?
 
The Front Nationale was supposed to win big in the French regional elections according to polls but instead they failed miserably to Sarkozy's party.
The FN had the best result in its history. It was insufficient to end up number one, but I see your label of "miserable failure" indicates some media brainwashing.
 
The FN had the best result in its history. It was insufficient to end up number one, but I see your label of "miserable failure" indicates some media brainwashing.

Yes they did but it was horrible compared to their polls, and your entire thread is based on the premise of polls.
 
You wrote specifically "they failed miserably to Sarkozy's party", then acknowledged that you were brainwashing session by the media and actually it is their best result ever. Hmmmm... :rolleyes:

The reason by the way why they did not win is not that the polls were incorrect but alarmed by the polls a lot of people, that were somewhat indifferent, ultimately did decide to show up. Like quantum mechanics, the measurement (the poll) influenced the state of the physical system (the election result).
 
You wrote specifically "they failed miserably to Sarkozy's party", then acknowledged that you were brainwashing session by the media and actually it is their best result ever. Hmmmm... :rolleyes:

The reason by the way why they did not win is not that the polls were incorrect but alarmed by the polls a lot of people, that were somewhat indifferent, ultimately did decide to show up. Like quantum mechanics, the measurement (the poll) influenced the state of the physical system (the election result).

Just because they did better than before does not mean they did not get their face punched in by Sarkozy's party compared to what they were supposed to win. Polls are often very wrong, especially one single poll.
 
Here's a chart for perspective. Color indicates percentage of voters for the FN.

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In some regions one percent behind the right coalition is hardly getting "your face smacked". Better luck next time, immigrants are working hard, even in remote places like Cologne, for the public relations department of the FN and they're only going to work harder. And I forgot to mention, the polls did not only affect turn up but also encouraged strategic voting behavior as sometimes socialists voted on Sarkozy's right coalition just to avoid FN majority. Oh well, better luck next time. As you can see, the color bar goes up to 45%, extrapolating linearly the FN has good times ahead.
 
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Here's a chart for perspective. Color indicates percentage of voters for the FN.

resultats-regionales-fn-2010-2015-1_5477890.jpg


In some regions one percent behind the right coalition is hardly getting "your face smacked". Better luck next time, immigrants are working hard, even in remote places like Cologne, for the public relations department of the FN and they're only going to work harder. And I forgot to mention, the polls did not only affect turn up but also encouraged strategic voting behavior as sometimes socialists voted on Sarkozy's right coalition just to avoid FN majority. Oh well, better luck next time. As you can see, the color bar goes up to 45%, extrapolating linearly the FN has good times ahead.

You know Cologne or Koln is in Germany right? You are forgetting one thing, France's regions are not equal in population. The FN is generally more popular is the least populated regions. Sure 40% of one region voted for the FN but it has less than half the population of the Ile-de-France region.
 
You know Cologne or Koln is in Germany right?
I did say "remote place". What, you don't think this hasn't been in the news all over Europe and isn't influencing public opinion?

it has less than half the population of the Ile-de-France region.
Ile de France probably also has way more immigrant background voters. I wouldn't expect them to vote for the FN. :rolleyes:
 
Ile de France probably also has way more immigrant background voters. I wouldn't expect them to vote for the FN. :rolleyes:

What difference does that make they are French too? What it shows is that Front Nationale support is limited to old people who hate immigrants.
 
What difference does that make they are French too? What it shows is that Front Nationale support is limited to old people who hate immigrants.
See that dark colored region near the top, bordering Belgium? You're going to tell me around 45% of people there are old people hating immigrants?
 
See that dark colored region near the top, bordering Belgium? You're going to tell me around 45% of people there are old people hating immigrants?

If it is anything like Southern Belgium then yes. Wikipedia also seems to support that idea.
 
If it is anything like Southern Belgium then yes. Wikipedia also seems to support that idea.
Might want to recheck wikipedia (I do notice an absence of a wiki link). It's nothing like the southern part of Belgium, politically speaking.
 
Might want to recheck wikipedia (I do notice an absence of a wiki link). It's nothing like the southern part of Belgium, politically speaking.

I lived in Wallonia once, it is full of old people who do not really like immigrants. You are right, it might be even worse due to the high unemployment and conservative lean of the region.
 
I lived in Wallonia once, it is full of old people who do not really like immigrants. You are right, it might be even worse due to the high unemployment and conservative lean of the region.
You've got to be kidding me. Wallonia is largely left leaning and has been ruled by the Parti Socialiste since forever. If Wallonia weren't part of Belgium, it would be known as one of the last true commie nations on the planet, better than North Korea but only slightly better than Cuba. The only part you have right is the high unemployment.
 
What difference does that make they are French too? What it shows is that Front Nationale support is limited to old people who hate immigrants.

The sad truth is Carjosse that most of the Muslim immigrants in Sweden who have been given Swedish nationality after 3 years hate Sweden and hate Swedes. I hear that a similar situation exists in France so your "they are French too" carries little weight with me. (Irrelevant fact: I was born in Paris).

You are mistaken in your notion of the demographics of FN voters btw.
 
Here's a chart for perspective. Color indicates percentage of voters for the FN.

resultats-regionales-fn-2010-2015-1_5477890.jpg


In some regions one percent behind the right coalition is hardly getting "your face smacked". Better luck next time, immigrants are working hard, even in remote places like Cologne, for the public relations department of the FN and they're only going to work harder. And I forgot to mention, the polls did not only affect turn up but also encouraged strategic voting behavior as sometimes socialists voted on Sarkozy's right coalition just to avoid FN majority. Oh well, better luck next time. As you can see, the color bar goes up to 45%, extrapolating linearly the FN has good times ahead.

I can see why so many are voting FN in Nord Pas de Calais but why are they voting FN in provence? I never would have thought that immigration would be such an issue there.
 
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