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Merkel's Last Stand? Chancellor Running Out of Time on Refugee Issue

truthatallcost said:
How do you not see what is happening?
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Your list of riots seems to infer that France is plagued by them.

The "riots" as you call them are "demonstrations", and if more Yanks did the same (instead of "bitching in a blog") they'd get more attention from their government both local and national.

In fact, there is barely a week that goes by without some sort of demonstration, and often punks start rioting because they love testing their male-testosterone against police riot-squads. It's a sort of Initiation Ritual.

Nobody takes the punk-riots seriously, though they do a lot of damage. But a demonstration against what the French see as unfairness or respect for a political point-of-view will bring them into the streets to show/protest their concern. In fact, in 1968, they lingered so long that they did undo the government, and new elections were called.

Demonstrating has been a French tradition since its revolution. Calling them "riots" is your concoction ...
 
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Roadvirus said:
Then maybe the government should encourage native Germans to have more kids instead of importing hundreds of thousands of people who's culture is incompatible with civilized Western society
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Really kinda stoopid, this remark.

"Civilized Western Society"? Where's that? In Illinois?

Fifteen percent of American men, women and children currently live below the Poverty Threshold. That's about 50 million people, or the combined populations of California and Illinois. So, pray tell, what's so "civilized" about America ... ?
 
Lafayette said:
Source of your info, please?

My source: Unemployment up for foreigners in Sweden

Excerpt: "More than one in five foreign-born people in Sweden are without a job, and unemployment within the group is expected to rise, employment authorities suggested on Wednesday."

That makes the number more like 20% - so, yes, it is a significant problem but not as drastic as you portray ...
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"Foreign born" includes people from Finland, Estonia, latvia, Poland - here in great numbers - and even France Lafayette. My post said "asylum seekers" who are all from the Near East and Africa.
 
Lafayette said:
Really kinda stoopid, this remark.

"Civilized Western Society"? Where's that? In Illinois?

Fifteen percent of American men, women and children currently live below the Poverty Threshold. That's about 50 million people, or the combined populations of California and Illinois. So, pray tell, what's so "civilized" about America ... ?
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The 'Poverty Threshold' can be moved up or down at will, thus changing the numbers. In the UK its calculated relative to average income; so if EVERYONE'S income doubled tomorrow the number below the 'Poverty Threshold' would remain exactly the same. In reality those said to be below the PT now have a standard of living well above those on average earnings in, say, 1965.
 
Natan said:
Meh, just give up and convert the hangars to refugee shelters like at Tempelhof. Fewer people will be coming to Germany after Cologne.

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I seem to recall reading some megalomaniac plans to build a brand new migrant city there for 20.000 migrants.
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Am going to Europe this summer with my girlfriend. Probably gonna skip Germany...don't want to be somewhere she will get groped and harassed

Her safety comes first

1 million North Africans....germany must be crazy
 
Lafayette said:
Your list of riots seems to infer that France is plagued by them.

The "riots" as you call them are "demonstrations", and if more Yanks did the same (instead of "bitching in a blog") they'd get more attention from their government both local and national.

In fact, there is barely a week that goes by without some sort of demonstration, and often punks start rioting because they love testing their male-testosterone against police riot-squads. It's a sort of Initiation Ritual.

Nobody takes the punk-riots seriously, though they do a lot of damage. But a demonstration against what the French see as unfairness or respect for a political point-of-view will bring them into the streets to show/protest their concern. In fact, in 1968, they lingered so long that they did undo the government, and new elections were called.

Demonstrating has been a French tradition since its revolution. Calling them "riots" is your concoction ...
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People died in some of those "demonstrations". In one instance, dozens of Muslims went to the Jewish area of Paris and attacked people who were in the street.
They also burned cars and attacked police. This is called a riot Lafayette, not a protest.
 
UTTER STOOPIDITY

truthatallcost said:
People died in some of those "demonstrations". In one instance, dozens of Muslims went to the Jewish area of Paris and attacked people who were in the street.
They also burned cars and attacked police. This is called a riot Lafayette, not a protest.
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There have been 300 "incidents" reported by Muslims (official police records) of assault by non-Muslim in France last year. One muslim has died from the assault.

The muslim assault on Jewish French has been severely reprimanded by the French police, and its instigators are now before a court of law. (Several are dead from shoot-outs).

Also note, that a stimulator factor has been the number of Muslims who have been killed by Israelis in the Israeli occupied West Bank, which according to the UN should have been totally transferred back to the Palestinian government.

If you are looking for a "sense of justice" in the strife that has propelled some younger hothead Muslims to "seek retribution", then you have to go further than just the refugee-problem.

You are mixing everything up in one big bag-of-crap to foment dislike of the Muslim community as a whole. That is unfair. Both sides have a story to tell.

And as regards the refugees, I cannot see the logic of having trekked a thousand miles to avoid bombings in Syria (by Putin's friend Assad) or the Daesh in Iraq or the Taliban in Afghanistan, and then wanting to destroy their only chance of peaceful survival by attacking the local population.

That would be utter stoopidity ....
 
Lafayette said:
The muslim assault on Jewish French has been severely reprimanded by the French police, and its instigators are now before a court of law. (Several are dead from shoot-outs).

Also note, that a stimulator factor has been the number of Muslims who have been killed by Israelis in the Israeli occupied West Bank, which according to the UN should have been totally transferred back to the Palestinian government.
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LOL
So let's kill random muslims in Italy because of palestinian brutal terrorism, that is the reason why Israel "occupied" Jordanian WestBank, and is the reason there is still no peace there.
It would be fine to you right?

There is only one right thing in your post: UTTER STOOPIDITY
 
Sweden said:
The 'Poverty Threshold' can be moved up or down at will, thus changing the numbers. In the UK its calculated relative to average income; so if EVERYONE'S income doubled tomorrow the number below the 'Poverty Threshold' would remain exactly the same. In reality those said to be below the PT now have a standard of living well above those on average earnings in, say, 1965.
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Oh, really. The PT is a ploy by the Census Bureau to play with the numbers according to the political whimsy of the White House?

Focus just on the US, will you - instead of blathering about how the numbers can be "trafficked".

Go here and pull out Table 5; which clearly shows how the percentage of individuals below the PT threshold (value of "1 on the table) has varied since 1975 (that's 40 years!) between 10 and 15%!!!

It is presently at the 15% level - and since 1975 no Federal government (Dem or Replicant) has ever tried to really tackle the problem. Which is why the US has so much:
*Personal Violence (most often manifested by firearm-related deaths)
*Theft and high crime rates
*A level of incarceration (per capita) for firearm-related deaths that is the highest of any developed nation. (See stats here.)

The US has nothing to be proud about ...
 
Hyena said:
There is only one right thing in your post: UTTER STOOPIDITY
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Is this personal invective all you've got? Then you are indulging in Blog-Blather.

Moving right along ...
 
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER

Sweden said:
In reality those said to be below the PT now have a standard of living well above those on average earnings in, say, 1965.
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You have not in the slightest justified this statement, which is utter nonsense.

Go find the numbers for yourself, they are in Table 5 here: Historical Poverty Tables - People.

Note that the numbers since 1975 vary between 10 and 15% (in the column (1), most often at the upper level. These numbers are corrected for price-inflation and revenue enhancement, so your balderdash about "changing the numbers" simply does not wash.

(If so, then the Census Department of the US government is dealing in propaganda. Is this what you are trying to say?)

The truth of the matter remains that - given the quarter-century history of the data - about 15% of the American population (men, women and children) are incarcerated in poverty (some life-long).

That's about 50 million people, or the combined population of the states of California and Illinois!
 
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Hyena said:
There is only one right thing in your post: UTTER STOOPIDITY
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Sarcasm is never an acceptable argument in debate, and indicates a natural debility.

Moving right a long ...
 
Lafayette said:
UTTER STOOPIDITY



There have been 300 "incidents" reported by Muslims (official police records) of assault by non-Muslim in France last year. One muslim has died from the assault.

The muslim assault on Jewish French has been severely reprimanded by the French police, and its instigators are now before a court of law. (Several are dead from shoot-outs).

Also note, that a stimulator factor has been the number of Muslims who have been killed by Israelis in the Israeli occupied West Bank, which according to the UN should have been totally transferred back to the Palestinian government.

If you are looking for a "sense of justice" in the strife that has propelled some younger hothead Muslims to "seek retribution", then you have to go further than just the refugee-problem.

You are mixing everything up in one big bag-of-crap to foment dislike of the Muslim community as a whole. That is unfair. Both sides have a story to tell.

And as regards the refugees, I cannot see the logic of having trekked a thousand miles to avoid bombings in Syria (by Putin's friend Assad) or the Daesh in Iraq or the Taliban in Afghanistan, and then wanting to destroy their only chance of peaceful survival by attacking the local population.

That would be utter stoopidity ....
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A simple explation: 1) Most of the migrants are not fleeing FROM something they are moving TO social benefits, free health care and the expectation of being able to bring many dependents after them 2) Many indeed have very low levels of intelligence.
 
Lafayette said:
UTTER STOOPIDITY



There have been 300 "incidents" reported by Muslims (official police records) of assault by non-Muslim in France last year. One muslim has died from the assault.

The muslim assault on Jewish French has been severely reprimanded by the French police, and its instigators are now before a court of law. (Several are dead from shoot-outs).

Also note, that a stimulator factor has been the number of Muslims who have been killed by Israelis in the Israeli occupied West Bank, which according to the UN should have been totally transferred back to the Palestinian government.

If you are looking for a "sense of justice" in the strife that has propelled some younger hothead Muslims to "seek retribution", then you have to go further than just the refugee-problem.

You are mixing everything up in one big bag-of-crap to foment dislike of the Muslim community as a whole. That is unfair. Both sides have a story to tell.

And as regards the refugees, I cannot see the logic of having trekked a thousand miles to avoid bombings in Syria (by Putin's friend Assad) or the Daesh in Iraq or the Taliban in Afghanistan, and then wanting to destroy their only chance of peaceful survival by attacking the local population.

That would be utter stoopidity ....
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You know a person is scraping the bottom of their big bucket of dogma when they resort to blaming the Jews for this current invasion of Europe.
 
Gardener said:
You know a person is scraping the bottom of their big bucket of dogma when they resort to blaming the Jews for this current invasion of Europe.
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And, by refusing to debate on the facts of any given question or issue, you continue to know nothing about the real problem ...
 
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Lafayette said:
And, by refusing to debate on the facts of any given question or issue, you continue to know nothing ...
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It is not a "fact" that millions of Muslims are flooding into Europe simply because you wish to use the Jews as scapegoats.
 
Sweden said:
A simple explation: 1) Most of the migrants are not fleeing FROM something they are moving TO social benefits, free health care and the expectation of being able to bring many dependents after them 2) Many indeed have very low levels of intelligence.
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This comment does not corroborate with the facts. The refugees are fleeing war-zones.

From the UN, here is the breakdown of Where do the world's refugees come from?

Clearly, the four largest countries of origin (Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia and Sudan) are all countries where serious armed conflicts exist.

They are seeking first and foremost safety (to protect their lives), then some comfort (food and shelter), then perhaps a job.

To accuse them of wanting simply to benefit from "government handouts" is a glaring stupidity ...
 
Gardener said:
It is not a "fact" that millions of Muslims are flooding into Europe simply because you wish to use the Jews as scapegoats.
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Well, you've got that right.

What I am saying is the Israel is not helping in solving the problem by annexing and employing (for purposes of inhabiting) large tracts of land on the West Bank that does not belong (and has never belonged) to the state of Israel.
 
Lafayette said:
Well, you've got that right.

What I am saying is the Israel is not helping in solving the problem by annexing and employing (for purposes of inhabiting) large tracts of land on the West Bank that does not belong (and has never belonged) to the state of Israel.
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To the same degree that France is not helping to solve the problems by having restaurants that serve choucroute garnie, I suppose.
 
Lafayette said:
This comment does not corroborate with the facts. The refugees are fleeing war-zones.

From the UN, here is the breakdown of Where do the world's refugees come from?

Clearly, the four largest countries of origin (Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia and Sudan) are all countries where serious armed conflicts exist.

They are seeking first and foremost safety (to protect their lives), then some comfort (food and shelter), then perhaps a job.

To accuse them of wanting simply to benefit from "government handouts" is a glaring stupidity ...
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You continue to call those flooding into Europe "refugees" even the naive and ultra PC Swedish government says that only a quarter (in fact fewer) are refugees, three quarters are economic migrants. This fact is no too difficult to understand. Maybe if I repeat it often enough you will grasp the point. The French PM seems to have got it, judging by his interview with the BBC today.
 
Lafayette said:
UTTER STOOPIDITY



There have been 300 "incidents" reported by Muslims (official police records) of assault by non-Muslim in France last year. One muslim has died from the assault.

The muslim assault on Jewish French has been severely reprimanded by the French police, and its instigators are now before a court of law. (Several are dead from shoot-outs).

Also note, that a stimulator factor has been the number of Muslims who have been killed by Israelis in the Israeli occupied West Bank, which according to the UN should have been totally transferred back to the Palestinian government.

If you are looking for a "sense of justice" in the strife that has propelled some younger hothead Muslims to "seek retribution", then you have to go further than just the refugee-problem.

You are mixing everything up in one big bag-of-crap to foment dislike of the Muslim community as a whole. That is unfair. Both sides have a story to tell.

And as regards the refugees, I cannot see the logic of having trekked a thousand miles to avoid bombings in Syria (by Putin's friend Assad) or the Daesh in Iraq or the Taliban in Afghanistan, and then wanting to destroy their only chance of peaceful survival by attacking the local population.

That would be utter stoopidity ....
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You claim one Muslim died last year in France from anti Muslim violence. 130 were murdered in Paris in one day by Muslims! What is your apologetic explanation of this? Are you going to blame the French people for this too?

You claim muslims have committed violent acts in France due to Israeli-Palestinian conflicts; isn't this the ultimate proof that muslims living in France don't value the opportunity they've been giving for a better life? When my ancestors left Ireland for the US, they became Americans first, and Irish second. They fought in American wars to to show their loyalty to America. These modern muslims act like they are still citizens of the countries they descended from and not French.

If you continue justifying Muslim riots and violence you will regret it. But that's up to you.
 
now I´m really fed up with you self righteous, well fed bastards here. Friend of mine in Kos sees the corpses of the 60 died women, children and few men and and you debate over your full bellies about bad muslims. I begin to get ashamed of the west and really need a debatepolitics break - see you in some weeks when I get over it that a lot humans only think about themselves
 
truthatallcost said:
If you continue justifying Muslim riots and violence you will regret it.
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I am not "justifying" anything, and certainly not the Bataclan manslaughter. I was in Paris at that time. We were all distraught with the massacre.

You are making a hodgepodge of facts into a spurious point, which I find unnecessary. All I am saying is that there are two sides to the same story.

And the "other side" to your story, son of Irish parents that you are, is that the Ireland your parents left also foisted a bitter inter-religious strife called "the Troubles" that took 3500 lives from 1960 to the end in the late 1990s.

So, the pot should stop calling the kettle "black". The truth in such sectarian matters is always somewhere "in between", and it is from that midpoint that peace within the conflict is finally found ...
 
I cannot even imagine what stupid point you are trying to make with that bit of sarcasm.

But sarcasm is all you have, which is never an adept substitute for cogent argumentation in a debate forum ...
 
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