The End of European civilisation [W:111]

German guy · Jan 20, 2016

Natan said:
These are Eurostat figures for Q3 - 2014 to Q3 - 2015. Around 1 million total immigrants, from various countries as tabulated. How many (from which countries?) do you believe to be in "real need"?

Syrians are only 25%. 20% are Albanians, Kosovars, Serbs. Only the top 3 countries *might* have genuine asylum seekers, and those don't even sum up to 50%.

Well, the German asylum law is complicated, and I'm nowhere near an expert on that.

But the figure you hear in the media here most of the time, is that ca. 40%-50% of the asylum seekers are accepted. Which means the remaining 50%-60% have to go. Hope our authorities make sure that happens swiftly.

And yes, you often heard in the media here that a rough half of the asylum seekers indeed are applicants from the Balkans, and that they have no chance of being accepted, as their countries are listed as "safe places of origin".

Natan · Jan 20, 2016

German guy said:
But the figure you hear in the media here most of the time, is that ca. 40%-50% of the asylum seekers are accepted. Which means the remaining 50%-60% have to go. Hope our authorities make sure that happens swiftly.

I believe I posted the deportation rate in a previous thread. It's 3000 a year, with an influx of nearly 1 million a year. If you were to do the math in how many years they would all be returned, the answer would be a negative figure.

German guy said:
And yes, you often heard in the media here that a rough half of the asylum seekers indeed are applicants from the Balkans, and that they have no chance of being accepted, as their countries are listed as "safe places of origin".

So how many does the German government return? I already told you, less than 3000 or so a year. Let's hope most leave by themselves after being turned down.

German guy · Jan 20, 2016

Natan said:
I believe I posted the deportation rate in a previous thread. It's 3000 a year, with an influx of nearly 1 million a year. If you were to do the math in how many years they would all be returned, the answer would be a negative figure.

So how many does the German government return? I already told you, less than 3000 or so a year. Let's hope most leave by themselves after being turned down.

Don't know about the actual numbers, but my guess is this 3000 figure if from before the refugee situation became a major topic. These days, you hear lots of politicians from all sides constantly emphasizing how crucial and important a "quick deportation of those turned down" is. Hope those aren't just words.

Heinrich · Jan 20, 2016

German guy said:
I doubt that will happen. Half of them are pissed off at Merkel's euro policies and now pay her back, the other half is run by paranoid far-right nationalists.

Besides, it probably wouldn't even be smart. Many European countries are in way too much trouble now already. Isn't Spain's youth unemployment near 50%? How can you possibly explain to these unemployed youngesters who see no future whatsoever, that they suddenly have to compete with an additional million of foreigners? Well okay, if anybody still understood that, it'd probably be the Spanish (the only EU country that didn't fall for far-right nuts, despite all troubles lately). But think of the Italians, Greek or even French.

Spanish youth have been travelling to Germany too and many go to England. Because of the free movement of labor, they have somewhere to go where there are jobs. Things will get better. We need more investment. Many of our youth have good educations but the only work that is plentiful is low-paying tourist related in bars and restaurants. But we must be optimistic.

Natan · Jan 20, 2016

German guy said:
Don't know about the actual numbers, but my guess is this 3000 figure if from before the refugee situation became a major topic. These days, you hear lots of politicians from all sides constantly emphasizing how crucial and important a "quick deportation of those turned down" is. Hope those aren't just words.

No, it's recent figures available from Frontex, you can check them online. The numbers that return on their own after being denied are probably an order of magnitude larger than the sham operation Germany and the EU are running.

Frontex | European Union Agency

They are just words. The only thing ensuring return is an end to money and accomodation. If Germany were to be tough and immediately state anyone that isn't Syrian, Iraqi or Afghan can immediately forget about either asylum, money or accomodation, it would be in half as much trouble as it is now.

DDD · Jan 20, 2016

Natan said:
These are Eurostat figures for Q3 - 2014 to Q3 - 2015. Around 1 million total immigrants, from various countries as tabulated. How many (from which countries?) do you believe to be in "real need"?

Syrians are only 25%. 20% are Albanians, Kosovars, "Serbs". Only the top 3 countries *might* have genuine asylum seekers, and those don't even sum up to 50%.

How do you come up with such conclusions? From the data it seems that even combining Albanians, Dardanians, and Serbs together that it would not equal to 20%?

Sweden · Jan 20, 2016

German guy said:
There won't be an influx of 1.5 mio to Germany for the next 5-6 years. I'm pretty sure a revision of the German policies is only weeks ahead, with or without Merkel.

If I'm wrong after all, I owe you a drink and I'm doing my best to migrate to Canada to escape this ****hole in the making.

Oh dear German Guy! When you get to Canada you will find the new PM Trudeau waiting for you, the male Merkel. He made his most recent speech in a mosque.

Natan · Jan 20, 2016

DDD said:
How do you come up with such conclusions? From the data it seems that even combining Albanians, Dardanians, and Serbs together that it would not equal to 20%?

Kosovo: 87565
Albania: 56795
Serbia: 22750 (not sure whether ethnic Serbs)

Total: 167.110 on 997.125 = 16.7%, so near my 20% rough estimate.

German guy · Jan 20, 2016

Sweden said:
Oh dear German Guy! When you get to Canada you will find the new PM Trudeau waiting for you, the male Merkel. He made his most recent speech in a mosque.

Guess I'm more or less okay with that ... to my knowledge, Canada only accepts either well-educated or wealthy migrants, so the few Muslims going to Canada fall into this segment, too. Probably just members from the small Westenernized elites in Muslim countries, who won't pose much problems. This, plus they aren't many.

Natan · Jan 20, 2016

German guy said:
This, plus they aren't many.

Ha, 200.000 immigrants on a 36 million or so population, only slightly less than half as bad as the current German rate. And they've been doing it for over a decade. Admittedly, problems are far less due to some factors.

Sweden · Jan 20, 2016

DDD said:
How do you come up with such conclusions? From the data it seems that even combining Albanians, Dardanians, and Serbs together that it would not equal to 20%?

Do not trust the official figures! Sweden gives every uncomer from Syria automatic refugee status and the full range of immediate free medical care (which is more than I get) and welfare benefits. Guess what? Any migrant with a spark of intelligence says he comes from Syria. He will be believed, because to do otherwise would be to 'damage his personal integrity' and we couldn't have that could we?

German guy · Jan 20, 2016

Natan said:
Ha, 200.000 immigrants on a 36 million or so population, only slightly less than half as bad as the current German rate. And they've been doing it for over a decade.

200,000? Nice.

0.2/36 mio sounds much better than 5 mio/80 mio.

DDD · Jan 20, 2016

Natan said:
Kosovo: 87565
Albania: 56795
Serbia: 22750 (not sure whether ethnic Serbs)

Total: 167.110 on 997.125 = 16.7%, so near my 20% rough estimate.

The number between 16.7% and 20% is 3.3% which equals to approximately 32,890 people. I understanding summarizing numbers in third decimals after the full stop, but how does adding 3.3% or 32,890 people constitutes a "rough estimate?"

Sounds like it is bogus calculations to exaggerate the impact of refugees. Not to mention that of that 16.7% only 14.47% or 144,360 are mostly Albanian Muslims. So few issues with that:

1) Why gather up Serbs with Albanians?

2) If the campaign is to help out Muslims then Dardanians and Albanians are mostly that so why specifically wish to remove them (especially considering some of them defended Deutch women from ME rape in New Years Eve)?

3) Since uncertain whether they are ethnic Serbs, then are you certain that the ones from Dardania and Albania are ethnic Albanians?

Sweden · Jan 20, 2016

Heinrich said:
Spanish youth have been travelling to Germany too and many go to England. Because of the free movement of labor, they have somewhere to go where there are jobs. Things will get better. We need more investment. Many of our youth have good educations but the only work that is plentiful is low-paying tourist related in bars and restaurants. But we must be optimistic.

'We must be optimistic'. Ah yes, the triumph of hope over experience. Mass migration, mostly Muslim, has been disastrous for Sweden and my stock of optimism is long since exhausted.

DDD · Jan 20, 2016

Sweden said:
Do not trust the official figures! Sweden gives every uncomer from Syria automatic refugee status and the full range of immediate free medical care (which is more than I get) and welfare benefits. Guess what? Any migrant with a spark of intelligence says he comes from Syria. He will be believed, because to do otherwise would be to 'damage his personal integrity' and we couldn't have that could we?

What should one trust then?

Natan · Jan 20, 2016

German guy said:
200,000? Nice.

Per year.

Sweden · Jan 20, 2016

DDD said:
What should one trust then?

Good question DDD. Not the Swedish government, the state broadcaster or the press. Hard to believe, I know, but Swedish newpapers are given, every year, taxpayers money by the state. Subject to good behaviour which translates as not asking too many awkward questions. So the only sources I can partially trust are persona information and some on line sites. For example the only good information about the - daily - violent incidents in migrant hostels come from a site called Avpixlat.

Natan · Jan 20, 2016

German guy said:
There won't be an influx of 1.5 mio to Germany for the next 5-6 years. I'm pretty sure a revision of the German policies is only weeks ahead, with or without Merkel.

If I'm wrong after all, I owe you a drink and I'm doing my best to migrate to Canada to escape this ****hole in the making.

Update: the IMF is forecasting you're wrong:

FOUR MILLION migrants expected to reach Europe by the end of 2017 | Daily Mail Online

RetiredUSN · Jan 20, 2016

PeteEU said:
So when I google Danish Muslim Party, the only thing I get is something by Pam Geller.. and there is no registration in Denmark on a party called "the Danish Muslim Party"... that means that it does exist somehow? You do understand that political parties have be registered right? You do also understand that to even be able to run for anything, they need a hell of a lot of signatures right?

Everything begins with movement whether the party is recognized or not......... officially. There were 200,000 +/- in Muslims in Denmark in 2012 and the number has been growing every year. Not to mention another 50,000 illegals that they themselves estimate. The Danish people can now enjoy the "no go zones" that the Gov't created all on their own.

DDD · Jan 20, 2016

Sweden said:
Good question DDD. Not the Swedish government, the state broadcaster or the press. Hard to believe, I know, but Swedish newpapers are given, every year, taxpayers money by the state. Subject to good behaviour which translates as not asking too many awkward questions. So the only sources I can partially trust are persona information and some on line sites. For example the only good information about the - daily - violent incidents in migrant hostels come from a site called Avpixlat.

If Swedish press and the public broadcasting are out then there are non-Swedish presses and broadcasters. The resource that was used before does not seems to be of Swedish origin neither.

joG · Jan 20, 2016

Sweden said:
Steyn has it right.
It's Still the Demography, Stupid :: SteynOnline.

Rather sad for those of us living in Europe. As the man says the Muslim takeover of much of Europe is not a 'prediction' it is an on going event.

There is something to that. But the USA is more multi culture multi racial by far. What i do see happening all around me are developments in Europe adopting American behavior good and bad from anti corruption laws to gang warfare in the no go zones. But that has been going that way for decades.

brothern · Jan 20, 2016

Sweden said:
Steyn has it right.
It's Still the Demography, Stupid :: SteynOnline.

Rather sad for those of us living in Europe. As the man says the Muslim takeover of much of Europe is not a 'prediction' it is an on going event.

Oh the horror of adding 5 million, or even 8 million people to a continent of 750 million.

The 0.5% increase! The 1% increase! Such massive numbers that are less than 1! 'Tis the end of us all!

Natan · Jan 20, 2016

brothern said:
Oh the horror of adding 5 million, or even 8 million people to a continent of 750 million.

The 0.5% increase! The 1% increase! Such massive numbers that are less than 1! 'Tis the end of us all!

Germany is 80 million people. The whole of the EU, which is less fond of having to "Schaff Das", 500 million (UK included).

Also divide the 80 million or 500 million if you will by around 8 to obtain the number of people in Germany or the EU in a similar demographic age and sex bracket, THEN compare with 5 million. You'll obtain a ratio of 10 million or 40 million compared to 5 million, so your 0.5-1% figure is ridiculous leftist Gutmensch propaganda that I've seen before.

brothern · Jan 20, 2016

Natan said:
Germany is 80 million people. The whole of the EU, which is less fond of having to "Schaff Das", 500 million (UK included).

Also divide the 80 million or 500 million if you will by around 8 to obtain the number of people in Germany or the EU in a similar demographic age and sex bracket, THEN compare with 5 million. You'll obtain a ratio of 10 million or 40 million compared to 5 million, so your 0.5-1% figure is ridiculous leftist Gutmensch propaganda that I've seen before.

Oh no, another few percentage points to an area that allows free internal migration! The horror, the horror of the leftist propaganda called math. :roll:

Natan · Jan 20, 2016

brothern said:
Oh no, another few percentage points to an area that allows free internal migration! The horror, the horror of the leftist propaganda called math. :roll:

5 million immigrants next to 10 million German natives of same age and gender is already 33% and 66%. Add 3.5 children for immigrants versus 1.something and Germans are goners in the next generation. But hey, it's only 0.5-1%.

EU wide spreading figures are slightly less bad by a factor 5. Please, by all means, do advocate the destruction of the EU. We'd love it to become like your beloved Chicago.

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