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The End of European civilisation [W:111]

german hick said:
again this black and white thinking without accepting there could be any grey on both sides of the discussion...

Sometimes I believe folks don´t inform themselves and acquire an opinion, but do it the other way round. Have an opinion that suits to political/social backround and than searching for evidence in the Internet to prove that opinion is the right one and fact.

Problem: on the Internet you find evidence for everything you want
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Lmfao and I'm sure you have evidence that the polling statistics are not accurate, please provide your counter statistics since this is the Internet after all and "on the Internet you find evidence for everything you want," apparently.
 
starcitizen said:
This is an overt lie Muslims have historically persecuted Jews from Mohammad and the genocide of the Banu tribes into the modern era with Hitlers Mufti of Jerusalem and the only reason why the Jews weren't completely exterminated from the ME is because the British Christians were there to stop them.

Today almost 100% of Muslims hate Jews, anyone who supports the mass Muslim invasion of Europe hates Jews and wishes violence upon them.
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Someone needs to read some history books..
 
starcitizen said:
So you're blaming Muslim hate of Jews on Jews that is sick and anti-Semitic. Muslims hate Jews because their religion tells them that they are descended from apes and pigs and that they should be exterminated.
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I am? Where?
 
Gardener said:
Just to put this in proper context, you have also referred to 12 year olds as "so-called children" in order to justify their being gang raped by Muslim men.
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What are you talking about?
 
German guy said:
I don't want to debate Israel here now. But fact is, Israel won't go away
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Of course it wont go away, and 99% of Muslims know this and the 1% that dont, mostly use the "fact" as a political ploy.

and the best Muslims can hope for, is a two-state solution.
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Hey they would accept it if it was ever proposed. In fact they have... several times. But each time the Israelis have been the problem.

But they don't want that, they don't want peace, which is why such a solution won't happen.
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Of course they want that... well the huge majority. It is small minorities on both sides that are dictating the situation and hence peace is not possible. Fact is, that the ones that dont want peace at the moment is the Israeli government.. if they were even remotely serious about peace, then they would not constantly violate international law by expanding the illegal settlements.

There are minorities on both sides that know very well, as soon as peace is close, then this minority on both sides does something stupid.. terror attack, more settlements, settler violence and so on and that causes the talks to collapse.

IMO, 90% of the blame for the conflict is on the Muslim side. They are unwilling to overcome their irrational hate of Jews. That's 90% of the problem.
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You would be wrong. It is 50% on each side. You say they have an irrational hatred of Jews..... well you think about that.. Living under occupation, torture, murder, and someone stealing your land and so on.. think on how you would react, and how your cousins and family would react to such a treatment. I am not justifying terror in any way, I am just pointing out that it has not come out of a vacum, and neither has this so called "hating Jews" crap that is being thrown around by the pro-Israel side.
 
PeteEU said:
Of course it wont go away, and 99% of Muslims know this and the 1% that dont, mostly use the "fact" as a political ploy.



Hey they would accept it if it was ever proposed. In fact they have... several times. But each time the Israelis have been the problem.



Of course they want that... well the huge majority. It is small minorities on both sides that are dictating the situation and hence peace is not possible. Fact is, that the ones that dont want peace at the moment is the Israeli government.. if they were even remotely serious about peace, then they would not constantly violate international law by expanding the illegal settlements.

There are minorities on both sides that know very well, as soon as peace is close, then this minority on both sides does something stupid.. terror attack, more settlements, settler violence and so on and that causes the talks to collapse.



You would be wrong. It is 50% on each side. You say they have an irrational hatred of Jews..... well you think about that.. Living under occupation, torture, murder, and someone stealing your land and so on.. think on how you would react, and how your cousins and family would react to such a treatment. I am not justifying terror in any way, I am just pointing out that it has not come out of a vacum, and neither has this so called "hating Jews" crap that is being thrown around by the pro-Israel side.
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Torture? What torture would that be?
 
PeteEU said:
You would be wrong. It is 50% on each side. You say they have an irrational hatred of Jews..... well you think about that.. Living under occupation, torture, murder, and someone stealing your land and so on.. think on how you would react, and how your cousins and family would react to such a treatment. I am not justifying terror in any way, I am just pointing out that it has not come out of a vacum, and neither has this so called "hating Jews" crap that is being thrown around by the pro-Israel side.
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Even if your distortions regarding Israel were accurate the last time I checked the vast majority of Muslims don't live in the disputed territories nor does the formation of the modern state of Israel predate the Mohammad, the Koran, and the Hadiths which teach that Jews are descended from apes and pigs and should be exterminated.
 
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starcitizen said:
You're blaming Israel which is populated and governed primarily by Jews for the hatred of Jews.
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I am blaming the politicians of Israel, US, UK, France and others but never the Jews as a whole. That would be like blaming all Muslims for Bin Laden or all Christians for Warren Jeffs. Hatred of Jews and other minorities has always been fuelled by politicians or other religious faiths leaders.. and people follow their leaders out of mostly ignorance.
 
gunner said:
Torture? What torture would that be?
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In denial much? The IDF has been busted so many times by international organisations and Israels own investigators for using torture... so maybe it is about time to open your eyes?
 
PeteEU said:
In denial much? The IDF has been busted so many times by international organisations and Israels own investigators for using torture... so maybe it is about time to open your eyes?
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Can you show the evidence?
 
gunner said:
Can you show the evidence?
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Well, anything he could come up with from a hate site would still be an attempt to divert from the subject matter, which has to do with the effect on Western civilization by the massive influx of people who do not believe in the values of such civilization and who wish their own to prevail, instead -- the latter desire increasing as their numbers increase.

Why should the diversity of western civilization be sacrificed on the alter of political correctness?
 
PeteEU said:
I am blaming the politicians of Israel, US, UK, France and others but never the Jews as a whole. That would be like blaming all Muslims for Bin Laden or all Christians for Warren Jeffs. Hatred of Jews and other minorities has always been fuelled by politicians or other religious faiths leaders.. and people follow their leaders out of mostly ignorance.
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Ah I see you are blaming only certain Jews for the hatred of Jews, of course placing the blame on the bigoted Muslims would make just to much sense, especially since the overwhelming majority of Muslims don't live in the disputed territories.
 
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PeteEU said:
In denial much? The IDF has been busted so many times by international organisations and Israels own investigators for using torture... so maybe it is about time to open your eyes?
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And by busted you mean the word of captured Arab terrorists.
 
Sweden said:
~ the Muslim takeover of much of Europe is not a 'prediction' it is an on going event ~
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I'm aware outsiders can sometimes see things that insiders cannot but I've read "Steyn" when he's been given as a source and found him very unconvincing. Sheer numbers tells me this takeover will be a long time coming.

As of 2013 there were 742.5 million in Europe and 44 million of those are muslim (excluding Turkey which I don't count as "Europe.") Steyn writes for a particular viewpoint and his claims were made 50 years ago by Enoch Powell about black west Indians. I'm aware of and have read multiple stories in American and European press about the muslim timebomb but their figures never add up.

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