Demographics of refugees in Europe: Statistical Evidence

I read a column on NYT and the author pointed out some interesting fact about the ongoing refugee crisis. He said that the problem was exacerbated due to the demographic composition of the refugees and apparently it is true. Just for the sake of proof, I downloaded statistical data from Eurostat and just found out that the author got it right.

The main problem is that the vast majority of Refugees are young men aged 14-35 and they lack opportunities not only for jobs and food but also of meeting with women. Disenfranchised young men in a very unfavorable environment cannot be but just a good ingredient for unrest and violence.

Of course, culture plays a part as well. We all know already that most of the guys who went to Europe recently, have no clues whatsoever of what western values mean or how they actually work. Back in the Middle East, women had no rights and they ruled supreme. But now they've just encountered a world where concepts of women and manner differ completely with everything they had learned.

Given such circumstances it is no wonder that the countries marked in red (the ones which contain the largest number of young males in proportion to the total influx of refugees) are most opposed to immigration. They are the ones which are experiencing skyrocketing increase in domestic violence. Moreover, they actually lack the resources to handle the situation so even if they were good willed, there is little they can do.

Any thoughts?

aurelius87 said:

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I read a column on NYT and the author pointed out some interesting fact about the ongoing refugee crisis. He said that the problem was exacerbated due to the demographic composition of the refugees and apparently it is true. Just for the sake of proof, I downloaded statistical data from Eurostat and just found out that the author got it right.

The main problem is that the vast majority of Refugees are young men aged 14-35 and they lack opportunities not only for jobs and food but also of meeting with women. Disenfranchised young men in a very unfavorable environment cannot be but just a good ingredient for unrest and violence.

Of course, culture plays a part as well. We all know already that most of the guys who went to Europe recently, have no clues whatsoever of what western values mean or how they actually work. Back in the Middle East, women had no rights and they ruled supreme. But now they've just encountered a world where concepts of women and manner differ completely with everything they had learned.

Given such circumstances it is no wonder that the countries marked in red (the ones which contain the largest number of young males in proportion to the total influx of refugees) are most opposed to immigration. They are the ones which are experiencing skyrocketing increase in domestic violence. Moreover, they actually lack the resources to handle the situation so even if they were good willed, there is little they can do.

Any thoughts?

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I was wondering if you could either explain the numbers briefly or link the source.

Numbers are from 2013-14.. not up to date.

It looks like it is throwing all migrants into one pot... which is not helpful, since there are economic migrants and refugees.

Also the % of male and female is not exactly helpful or informative. For example, since this is from 2013-14, the Italian numbers is largely males from sub-Sahara and Northern Africa.. hardly refugees and more likely economic migrants. Males migrate to work, females dont.

I would love that comprehensive raw statistics were made, because statistics like this are so easily manipulated by the far right to stir up more hatred and Nazi like attitudes towards Muslims and other minorities.

And the media has to start informing people.. there are reasons why a majority are males.

1) From Iraq, Syria, males are forced into the fighting groups and hence they flee.
2) From elsewhere males are often sent ahead because most European countries allow them to get their families up once asylum has been granted. It is simply so dangerous to do the trip.

This kind of things need explaining because more and more people think that they all are IS terrorists and rapist being let in.. they are not.

Saying that, all European countries are doing a piss-poor job of sorting and containing the problem. All this could have been avoided if there was an EU wide border control and immigration policy.. but noo.

PeteEU said:

Numbers are from 2013-14.. not up to date.

It looks like it is throwing all migrants into one pot... which is not helpful, since there are economic migrants and refugees.

Also the % of male and female is not exactly helpful or informative. For example, since this is from 2013-14, the Italian numbers is largely males from sub-Sahara and Northern Africa.. hardly refugees and more likely economic migrants. Males migrate to work, females dont.

I would love that comprehensive raw statistics were made, because statistics like this are so easily manipulated by the far right to stir up more hatred and Nazi like attitudes towards Muslims and other minorities.

And the media has to start informing people.. there are reasons why a majority are males.

1) From Iraq, Syria, males are forced into the fighting groups and hence they flee.
2) From elsewhere males are often sent ahead because most European countries allow them to get their families up once asylum has been granted. It is simply so dangerous to do the trip.

This kind of things need explaining because more and more people think that they all are IS terrorists and rapist being let in.. they are not.

Saying that, all European countries are doing a piss-poor job of sorting and containing the problem. All this could have been avoided if there was an EU wide border control and immigration policy.. but noo.

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Do you have better numbers?

PeteEU said:

Saying that, all European countries are doing a piss-poor job of sorting and containing the problem. All this could have been avoided if there was an EU wide border control and immigration policy.. but noo.

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What kind of immigration policy would you create ? A quota system ? 50% men and 50% women ? Prioritizing women & children over men ?

aurelius87 said:

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I read a column on NYT and the author pointed out some interesting fact about the ongoing refugee crisis. He said that the problem was exacerbated due to the demographic composition of the refugees and apparently it is true. Just for the sake of proof, I downloaded statistical data from Eurostat and just found out that the author got it right.

The main problem is that the vast majority of Refugees are young men aged 14-35 and they lack opportunities not only for jobs and food but also of meeting with women. Disenfranchised young men in a very unfavorable environment cannot be but just a good ingredient for unrest and violence.

Of course, culture plays a part as well. We all know already that most of the guys who went to Europe recently, have no clues whatsoever of what western values mean or how they actually work. Back in the Middle East, women had no rights and they ruled supreme. But now they've just encountered a world where concepts of women and manner differ completely with everything they had learned.

Given such circumstances it is no wonder that the countries marked in red (the ones which contain the largest number of young males in proportion to the total influx of refugees) are most opposed to immigration. They are the ones which are experiencing skyrocketing increase in domestic violence. Moreover, they actually lack the resources to handle the situation so even if they were good willed, there is little they can do.

Any thoughts?

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I guess I have found something. May be someone is interested. Migration and migrant population statistics - Statistics Explained

Here's a clue.

http://gopthedailydose.com/2016/01/10/cnn-host-fareed-zakaria-calls-jihad-rape-white-women/

I'd say it's an invasion disguised as a crisis.

The title may use the term "refugees", but the actual statistics say "invasion".

If these were refugees, there would be more women and children. Good grief, what kind of person leaves the women and children behind to be at the mercy of ISIS? DUH!


THis is the face of these "refugees": Almost all young men.

joG said:

Do you have better numbers?

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Just pointing out how old they were.. you should be jumping on it since the numbers do not include the million that reached Europe last year..

Cisero said:

What kind of immigration policy would you create ? A quota system ? 50% men and 50% women ? Prioritizing women & children over men ?

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Oh there are many aspects of "immigration policy" that could be unified across the EU, including refugee status.

Right now each country has different standard to what can be accepted as a refugee. There is a reason that these people are going to Germany and Sweden.. and it aint the money. It is because both countries accept refugee status that other countries do not.

We need a unified list of what places that can be considered bad enough to give people "refugee status". For example, people from Albanian, Serbia, Algeria, Morocco all are apply for refugee status.. horse****.. kick them out as fast as they land on EU soil. If there is any safe haven in a conflict country, then that place has to be considered safe. Now in Syria there is no real safe place, but there is in Somalia... the north part is pretty safe. Nigeria got problems, but most of the country is safe.. Egypt is safe, a dictatorship sure, but it is safe. The worst examples I know of is that there are huge amount of Lebanese and Bosnians in the EU still.. go the **** home! Any refugee status should have the condition.. when the situation is normalized or safe enough.. then go home!

Then there is economic migrants. Here we have the colonial bull**** coming up again and again. Nigerians are basically banned across Europe, with the exception of the UK. Same goes for Pakistanis and Indians. So they of course go via the UK to the rest of Europe. Same goes for France and its former colonies and people from here.. Algeria, and places in sub-Saharan Africa.

We should have a system in Europe like they have in the US.. a "green card" where people from around the world can get into the EU if they have the qualifications we need here and are able to get a sponsor/job beforehand. We dont need 1 million uneducated sub-Saharan economic migrants, but we could use doctors and nurses... or computer people and so on.

My point is, as long as we are an economic union where there is freedom of movement of any kind (as in you dont need a visa to go to Spain from Germany), then we have to have unified rules on who can enter this economic union and work and of course who we invite in as refugees.

The whole reason we have this cluster**** of a problem now, is because we have 28 different rules and the few rules that are in the EU, are so outdated that it is not even funny. You do know that it is the job of places like Greece and Italy, the two places hardest hit by this flood.. to not only register, but care for and of course pay for it all.. without much help from the rest of the EU? Those are the rules.. very vague too btw.. hence thats why they have been abused by pretty much everyone. Countries have been pleading with the big boys (France, Germany, UK) to do something about it, but so far both the UK and Germany have been (along with northern allies) blocking any changes what so ever in the rules... so if anyone is to blame for this problem it is those countries. That is why France is doing nothing about the migrant problem at Calais... at least France changed its mind about a decade ago..

Like it or not, unless we throw up 10 meter internal border walls, with automatic guns and mine fields, and execute any illegal trying to get into each country.. then the only way to solve this problem is by coming together. Denmark has put up border control at the German border.. guess what.. there has been an increase not a decrease in people coming.. so much for that idea!

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Just pointing out how old they were.. you should be jumping on it since the numbers do not include the million that reached Europe last year..

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You are right, that most off the number on the Eurostat page are rather disappointingly aged.

PeteEU said:

And the media has to start informing people.. there are reasons why a majority are males.

1) From Iraq, Syria, males are forced into the fighting groups and hence they flee.
2) From elsewhere males are often sent ahead because most European countries allow them to get their families up once asylum has been granted. It is simply so dangerous to do the trip.

This kind of things need explaining because more and more people think that they all are IS terrorists and rapist being let in.. they are not.

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I don't think anyone thinks they are all terrorists and rapists.

I think there's a concern that some of them are terrorists and some of them, demonstrably, are rapists, and all of them are very foreign to European culture, and people from the places these "refugees" are coming from have a long and demonstrated history of not having any interest in integration or "becoming" Europeans, and that given the Stone Age nature of the war-torn places they're coming from there's really no way to effectively and reliably vet them in terms of background checks and certainly no way of doing so for large numbers of them in a very short span of time.

But you go ahead and keep up arguing that strawman of yours.

soot said:

I don't think anyone thinks they are all terrorists and rapists.

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LOL yes there are.. and quite a few of them and they are the ones dictating the narrative at the moment. I just responded to a Brit that actually said "1000 Muslim men" were committing assaults.. that is wrong.. and a lie. Why did he say that? Because the British newspapers are all feeding that lie over and over again..

I think there's a concern that some of them are terrorists

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Yes, I have the fear too.. but what do you want to do about it? I fear right wing fanatics coming from the US... should we ban all Americans? I fear Russian gangs, so ban all Russians? The biggest gang in my area is Irish/British based.. so ban all Irish and Brits?

and some of them, demonstrably, are rapists,

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Yes, as are sadly a rather large minority of locals as well.. why forget them? A vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults in most countries is done by non-Muslims.. funny how people tend to forget to mention that.. Oh and one of those wanted is an American btw..

and all of them are very foreign to European culture,

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Not really. Syrians in general are very western thinking and always have been. Many of the refugees have university degrees, doctors, teachers and so on.. Now people from Afghanistan, Pakistan and those places is another matter. So your generalization is a problem here.

and people from the places these "refugees" are coming from have a long and demonstrated history of not having any interest in integration or "becoming" Europeans, and that given the Stone Age nature of the war-torn places they're coming from there's really no way to effectively and reliably vet them in terms of background checks and certainly no way of doing so for large numbers of them in a very short span of time.

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Not Syria.. Iraq somewhat, yes, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so on.. hell yes, but not Syria. Syria before the civil war was much like Iraq under Saddam, a very western orientated open and all inclusive of women. So was Iran btw, till the Shah started torturing his own people with American and British help..

I have lived among these people, from all over the Muslim world, and I can tell you the following nationals are often very westernnized... Iranians (when not controlled by the religious police), Turks (from big cities), Syrians, Lebanese and Iraqies before Saddams fall. Those that have large parts of the population stuck in the dark ages are pretty much everyone else all the way over to Pakistan from Morocco, except for Tunisia and Libya under Gadaffi. In Saudi Arabia you have the highly educated youth and the older conservatives constantly butting heads.. which causes problems. Yemen.. a crap hole.. and so on and so on. Not all Muslims are the same.. far far from it. They are as diverse as people in the Christian faith.

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LOL yes there are.. and quite a few of them and they are the ones dictating the narrative at the moment. I just responded to a Brit that actually said "1000 Muslim men" were committing assaults.. that is wrong.. and a lie. Why did he say that? Because the British newspapers are all feeding that lie over and over again..

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So, explain this math to me.

My original statement was:

soot said:

I don't think anyone thinks they are all terrorists and rapists.

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Your response to that is that a British newspaper claims that 1000 refugees are committing assaults.

There have been in excess of 1,000,000 refugee migrants in to Europe in 2015.

Certainly you'll agree that 1000 does not represent all of 1,000,000+.

I think my original claim that people are afraid that some of the refugees might be terrorist, or criminals, or violent, or whatever, in light of your demonstration that some of the refugees are allegedly violent is pretty much spot the **** on.

Yes, I have the fear too.. but what do you want to do about it? I fear right wing fanatics coming from the US... should we ban all Americans? I fear Russian gangs, so ban all Russians? The biggest gang in my area is Irish/British based.. so ban all Irish and Brits?

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As I also said, the fact that some of the refugees might be terrorists, or might become criminals, is only part of the fear.

To a larger degree the fear is in admitting so many people from places and from cultures that are so "different" from Europe when people from those places and cultures have been migrating to Europe for decades now and have demonstrated that to a very large degree they have no interest in integrating and acculturating and would prefer to just set up enclaves within European cities and live, in essence, as "separatists".

Now, I will grant you that to at least some extent, in some places to a large extent, the reason that Arab/Muslim immigrants to Europe live as outsiders is because the nations of Europe haven't exactly been especially welcoming.

But you would have to agree, I hope, that absent a monumental shift in the announced policy in how the governments of Europe plan to handle Arab/Muslim immigrants the people of Europe can logically only expect more of what you've always had and the results you've always gotten.

Yes, as are sadly a rather large minority of locals as well.. why forget them? A vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults in most countries is done by non-Muslims.. funny how people tend to forget to mention that.. Oh and one of those wanted is an American btw..

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Who said anything about forgetting anything.

The simple fact that "A" and "B" are problems does not in any way mitigate the fact that "C" is certain to create multiple additional problems.

Not really. Syrians in general are very western thinking and always have been. Many of the refugees have university degrees, doctors, teachers and so on.. Now people from Afghanistan, Pakistan and those places is another matter. So your generalization is a problem here.

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And if you could conduct reliable background checks and identify such people, the doctors and lawyers and such, I'm sure they have the potential to be valuable members of your society.

The problem seems to be not so much that you couldn't conduct reliable background checks on some refugees, but that nobody who is in charge seems interested in conducting background checks on any of them at all or at least no effort has been made to determine how best they could be done.

You don't know whether the guy claiming to be a Syrian college graduate is even Syrian, much less whether or not he's a college graduate.

It's equally possible that he could be an Afghani poppy farmer with a long criminal record.

Not Syria.. Iraq somewhat, yes, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so on.. hell yes, but not Syria. Syria before the civil war was much like Iraq under Saddam, a very western orientated open and all inclusive of women. So was Iran btw, till the Shah started torturing his own people with American and British help..

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Not upper and middle class Syrian urbanites.

Syrians are no more modern and progressive and enlightened than Americans and having lived in Europe and visited many times I guarantee you that there are a great many Americans who would not "fit in" in Europe at all.

How do you think admitting a million Americans from our poverty stricken inner cities and gun-loving backwoods would effect European cities?

Take a 150,000 African Americans from Chicago and transplant them to Copenhagen.

What do you think the result of that would be?

In recent Dutch news, apparently a number of "refugees" from Iraq is returning home. As reason given is for example the asylum procedure taking quite long and family reunion hence difficult to afford. If their wife (wives) calls that they're all out of money, some return. Then again, those with the money to leave were probably never from war zones anyway.