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Thousands demonstrate in Montenegro against NATO membership

Natan said:
... give a rat's ass about the wishes of the people.
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I didn't know that the tiny sliver of Putin fanboy/girls in Montenegro were sizable enough to be considered "the people".
 
I wouldn't want to get myself involved with NATO in their case either but I sure as heck wouldn't want to get involved with Russia as an alternative.

These protesters are Milosevic supporters and pro-Russian.
 
brothern said:
I didn't know that the tiny sliver of Putin fanboy/girls in Montenegro were sizable enough to be considered "the people".
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But, but, but......................

With around 5,000 of them they barely miss the mark of representing something under 1 pct of the people. How dare you dismiss such significant representation? :mrgreen:
 
brothern said:
I didn't know that the tiny sliver of Putin fanboy/girls in Montenegro were sizable enough to be considered "the people".
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If you think they are not the people, a referendum shouldn't scare what you call "the people" ****less.
 
Chagos said:
But, but, but...................... With around 5,000 of them they barely miss the mark of representing something under 1 pct of the people. How dare you dismiss such significant representation? :mrgreen:
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When is the last time you saw 400.000 people in Spain demonstrate for/against anything?
 
Seems that here in the US, we are moving further down the road of having our government actions molded by street protests... why should Montenegro be any different?

/sarcasm

There are a number of pro-Russian and Pro-Milosevic people still around and still pissed that they were stopped from completing the genocide and that their leader was found guilty of crimes against humanity in the Hague. That's all this is, a protest by them, of them and their hatred and oppressiveness being further pressed into insignificance.
 
Beaudreaux said:
There are a number of pro-Russian and Pro-Milosevic people still around and still pissed that they were stopped from completing the "genocide" and that their leader was found guilty of crimes against humanity in the Hague. That's all this is, a protest by them, of them and their hatred and oppressiveness being further pressed into insignificance.
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You forgot some quotation marks in your post.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Are you denying that they committed, were committing, and would have continued to commit genocide?
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NATO killed about as many Serb civilians as the Serbs killed ethnic Albanian Kosovars in their "genocide". So, you are basically telling me that NATO committed genocide against the Serbs?
 
Natan said:
When is the last time you saw 400.000 people in Spain demonstrate for/against anything?
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Seen more than that.

But what is your point? Under 1 pct is under one pct. Hardly "the people".
 
Natan said:
Thousands rally against Montenegro's NATO membership - Yahoo News

A referendum is demanded. Personally, I don't think any political leaders in Europe (except in Switzerland, where referendums are quite common) give a rat's ass about the wishes of the people.
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https://consortiumnews.com/2015/12/03/nato-picks-a-new-fight-with-russia/

Exclusive: The Obama administration and much of Official Washington have dangerously lost touch with reality, ginning up a costly new Cold War with Russia even as expensive wars continue in Afghanistan and Iraq/Syria. The latest provocation against Russia is to invite Montenegro into NATO, writes Jonathan Marshall.
 
Natan said:
NATO killed about as many Serb civilians as the Serbs killed ethnic Albanian Kosovars in their "genocide". So, you are basically telling me that NATO committed genocide against the Serbs?
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I was there. Are you accusing me of genocide? Prove what you claim. I can, and will, but anyone that has eyes and was alive during that time knows what is true, and that is what I posted.
 
Natan said:
Oh really, please tell me the last demonstration in Madrid that had around 200.000 to 400.000 people, if we adjust for population number differences between Montenegro and Spain.
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Don't be silly Natan, I live here.

It's pushing 30 years but millions (plural) turned out in 1997 against ETA. All over the country.

THAT's a demonstration of public sentiment.

Millions came out in 2004, first against terrorism in general, then, when it became apparent that the government was lying in its teeth, against the same conservative gubmint.


Bah :roll:
 
NATO slowly needs to be winded down. It has served its purpose during the cold war, now its just an American dominated killing machine.
 
Putin's been getting busy in Montenegro, whipping up the Russian population. Trying to ignite another Ukraine, are we Comrade Vladimir?
 
Chagos said:
Don't be silly Natan, I live here.

It's pushing 30 years but millions (plural) turned out in 1997 against ETA. All over the country.

THAT's a demonstration of public sentiment.

Millions came out in 2004, first against terrorism in general, then, when it became apparent that the government was lying in its teeth, against the same conservative gubmint.


Bah :roll:
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I see no actual example of around that size (instead of several millions countrywide against ETA) as you'd fear labeling the cause insignificant and the people doing the demonstration as not to be taken seriously. But I guess it is difficult to concede a point.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I was there. Are you accusing me of genocide? Prove what you claim. I can, and will, but anyone that has eyes and was alive during that time knows what is true, and that is what I posted.
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Under or around 1,000 civilian casualties, hardly a "genocide".

Earlier however, KFOR sources told Agence France Presse that of the 2,150 bodies that had been discovered up until July 1999, about 850 were thought to be victims of war crimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#Civilians_killed_by_Yugoslav_forces
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Many human rights groups criticised civilian casualties resulting from military actions of NATO forces in Operation Allied Force. Both Serbs and Albanians were killed in 90 Human Rights Watch-confirmed incidents in which civilians died as a result of NATO bombing. It reported that as few as 489 and as many as 528 Yugoslav civilians were killed in the NATO airstrikes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_Force
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What did happen there was not genocide but ethnic cleansing, Serbian forces driving ethnic Albanians from their homes on a large scale (the exact size of which is unknown and disputed).

Beaudreaux said:
I was there. Are you accusing me of genocide?
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No, I sarcastically remarked that if you claim the Serbs committed "genocide" against ethnic Albanian Kosovars, then whatever NATO did could be considered genocide as well. If you "were there", which I assume as being part of NATO operations, I will accuse you of militarily supporting the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo. Because in the end, that is all what NATO achieved, reversing the ethnic cleansing of ethnic Albanians from Kosovo in order to achieve the ethnic cleansing of ethnic Serbs from Kosovo.

Beaudreaux said:
Prove what you claim.
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I did. Your turn.
 
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