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Will the world become less globalized?

Red_Dave

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I was reading this this morning

Not so fast | The Economist

And it occured to me that when you consider that when countries with immigration systems that are allready very strict start tightening up even more, the assumption that the world will becoming exponentially more globalized seems more and more doubtful. Looking at things in Europe also, we have the potential suspension of the Shengen Zone, plus a likely yes vote when it comes for the UK leaving the EU, plus the probable election of the Front National in Frane, it often seems to be the opposite. Maybe not so much in terms of trade (though with the protectionist bent of the FN this is also uncertain) but certainly in terms of the ability of people to move around.
 
I was reading this this morning

Not so fast | The Economist

And it occured to me that when you consider that when countries with immigration systems that are allready very strict start tightening up even more, the assumption that the world will becoming exponentially more globalized seems more and more doubtful. Looking at things in Europe also, we have the potential suspension of the Shengen Zone, plus a likely yes vote when it comes for the UK leaving the EU, plus the probable election of the Front National in Frane, it often seems to be the opposite. Maybe not so much in terms of trade (though with the protectionist bent of the FN this is also uncertain) but certainly in terms of the ability of people to move around.

Doesn't really matter. The flow of information is unhindered, and exceeds by far anything in human history. While we might have knee-jerk reactions leaning towards isolationism and xenophobia, such are only really temporary in the grand sweep of history. What's almost as great a factor is the rise of multinational corporations, which are more survivable - of one may use the word - than nations themselves. A third factor is a gradual - but significant and ongoing - decrease in patriotism in most developed nations, IMO almost directly a result of the previously-unimaginable flow of information worldwide. Yes, so many are still SO patriotic, but the degree of patriotism is nothing like it was before the world wars, before the twentieth century.

What I see as time goes on is the rise of corporations acting as de facto nations, with nearly as much (and sometimes more) power than other non-superpower nations. I see proto-nations built online...mostly just kids or idiots calling themselves a nation, but sometimes they will be real professionals, strong enough to force corporations or nations to the bargaining table - look at Anonymous.

No, as "patriotic" as many people or (or pretend to be in order to excuse their prejudice), the patriotism that one sees today is tinged by a deep cynicism of traditional governments, thanks to the many tens of millions who've died as a result of governments since the beginning of the twentieth century. But this doesn't mean that the world's turning libertarian - there will always be traditional governments. But the days of unquestioning allegiance to the flag are fading fast, never - barring worldwide catastrophe - to return.
 
Let's hope so, anyway.

Why we cannot celebrate the diversity of various European cultures is beyond me, and this headlong rush towards destroying the unique characteristics of such is only resulting in a degradation of values at the hands of primitive people hell bent on imposing their own.

So it always goes with nations that are at the zenith of power and influence. When Rome was on top, they looked down on all other peoples and nations. Same went for England. So it is with America - having spent not even a century at the top of the world (far less than the other two), we somehow think that we're inherently better than everyone else, and if some other nation does something differently than how America does it, then that must be part of the reason why that nation is less than America.

And that's how it will remain until America's no longer the number-one nation on the planet. Then China will have the same arrogance until the day she's replaced. The great wheel turns, y'know?
 
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