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illegal unregistered schools

If there are Catholic schools, Protestant schools, Anglican schools, Jewish schools so why not Islamic schools?

As long as they comply with the curriculum etc. then there should be no problem with religious education.
 
dimensionallava said:
wait.... why is there a law in the UK that says a place that offers "20 hours or more of teaching must register as a school"?

we have these kinds of schools in america except for Christians. They are all over the USA and the law requires only that the kids be tested every so often. It would be great if we could shut those down, we might finally be able to close the creationist museum in kentucky
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Even homeschooling families in the US usually have to register as a private school and then the children must take the standardized tests. The problem with trying to get rid of private schools of any type is that the students they turn out are typically better educated than public school students. Perhaps if public schools could get a handle on that, fewer parents would opt to put their kids in private schools or homeschool.
 
PeteEU said:
Guessing you dont know much about Scientology then. They might not be forcing their followers to blow themselves up in crowds, but they are certainly destroying the lives of millions.



Define "wide spread". There are quite a number, but as many as "Muslim" schools.. of course not. There are far more Muslims than Scientologists.



And you are saying that this is the official view of all Muslim schools? just saying.. it is a kneejerk reaction to accuse Muslims of anti-Semitism. But Scientology does advocate confrontation with anyone who is against it, plus the medical community and many others.



Well a tricky one, since Scientology is a very closed cult. Officially they are not against gays, and yet officially they are since they have "curing homosexuality" courses... so my guess is that they try to paint themselves as gay friendly, but in reality they are homophobes.



Yes they hold women and men as slaves. There is also accusation of sexual slaves and worse.



Careful there.. Scientology have a very good "marketing" .. I would call propaganda arm... which sterilizes Wikipedia stories about them constantly. And when the media exposes them, then they start suing and intimidating journalists.

But this so called Greenwood schools.. are nothing indoctrination programs for their followers children and any poor sod that happens to join the school not knowing what it is about.
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William Rea said:
National Secular Society - Allowing children to languish in illegal religious 'schools' is the bigotry of low expectations

The NSS has been on the case with the government for some time about this.

Sure in Birmingham, the schools are Islamic but, in other parts of the country, not so much. My understanding is that many parents are registering for 'home schooling' and then sending their kids to these places. Just the same as this isn't a specifically Islam/Judaism/Christian problem it is also not specifically a Labour/LD/Tory problem; Blair gave the green light for so called 'Faith Education' and effectively gave a mandate for this crap.
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I think you both miss the point in why highlighting Islamic schools in particular, is pertinent. Put simply, have we got marauding hordes of barbaric scientologists, running amok around large parts of some countries? Have we got issues, in the UK, where radicalized individuals are combining into cells for the purpose of indiscriminate carnage? If you believe we have, please provide the evidence.
Moreover, at least the government are attempting to tackle these particular communities, because that is where the present day issues are spawned. If you have (as we do) families and individuals thinking life under Daesh is the way a society should be structured, then you have to at least attempt to get to where such notions, arise. It is about winning the battle of 'ideas'.
Leaving communities to live segregated (multiculturalism) has been the most disastrous government policy of the 20th century.

An update: Jail warning for backstreet school organisers - BBC News

Of course, it has to be applied evenly: While most of the places visited by Ofsted so far have been in Muslim communities, inspectors may also turn their attention to similar unregistered tuition centres operated by other groups.

"It will apply across the board, to any religious group whether Muslim group, Jewish group, or Christian group who wants to operate this sort of provision in unsafe accommodation, in unhygienic and filthy accommodation.
 
Peter King said:
If there are Catholic schools, Protestant schools, Anglican schools, Jewish schools so why not Islamic schools?

As long as they comply with the curriculum etc. then there should be no problem with religious education.
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Yes, if you are going to concede to one then you have to concede to all but, that is what is helping to cause this mess to start with. The only place religion has in schools is as a subject for discussion under comparative religions in Humanities lessons.
 
William Rea said:
Yes, if you are going to concede to one then you have to concede to all but, that is what is helping to cause this mess to start with. The only place religion has in schools is as a subject for discussion under comparative religions in Humanities lessons.
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I do not agree with you, I went to both a protestant and a Catholic secondary learning institute (even though I am an atheist) and at the Catholic school I was not forced to join in religious studies. On the protestant school I was but it was more humanities studies than religious studies.

If you allow it for one religions, it would be wrong to ban another religion (as long as they comply with the rules and the standards that all schools must comply with).
 
Peter King said:
I do not agree with you, I went to both a protestant and a Catholic secondary learning institute (even though I am an atheist) and at the Catholic school I was not forced to join in religious studies. On the protestant school I was but it was more humanities studies than religious studies.

If you allow it for one religions, it would be wrong to ban another religion (as long as they comply with the rules and the standards that all schools must comply with).
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That is pretty much what I said. ?
 
Peter King said:
If there are Catholic schools, Protestant schools, Anglican schools, Jewish schools so why not Islamic schools?

As long as they comply with the curriculum etc. then there should be no problem with religious education.
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I wouldn't read the reports of the Ofsted report on unregistered schools as being about Islamic faith schools. It's not, and the head of Ofsted went out of his way to say that this is about unregistered schools of all religious and non-religious hue.

I dislike faith schools of all kinds, but you have to point out that there are plenty of Islamic schools that perform excellently in academic league tables.
 
Andalublue said:
I wouldn't read the reports of the Ofsted report on unregistered schools as being about Islamic faith schools. It's not, and the head of Ofsted went out of his way to say that this is about unregistered schools of all religious and non-religious hue.

I dislike faith schools of all kinds, but you have to point out that there are plenty of Islamic schools that perform excellently in academic league tables.
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I was talking in general, unlicensed schools cannot and must not be accepted by the government, the children on those schools have to be sent to regular schools (even if those schools are religious).
 
Peter King said:
I was talking in general, unlicensed schools cannot and must not be accepted by the government, the children on those schools have to be sent to regular schools (even if those schools are religious).
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I agree. The Government needs to crack down on unregistered schools. I'd probably go so far as to take the German approach which does not permit home-schooling at all.
 
Andalublue said:
I agree. The Government needs to crack down on unregistered schools. I'd probably go so far as to take the German approach which does not permit home-schooling at all.
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I also do not support home schooling, schooling is not only an educational tool but also something for people to develop friendships, etc. etc. etc.
 
Peter King said:
Then I must have misunderstood you, my apologies.
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For me it is clear, if you make an honest mistake, you should have the respect for your fellow poster to apologize for that mistake. That does not go for differing points of view but just for real mistakes.
 
Peter King said:
I also do not support home schooling, schooling is not only an educational tool but also something for people to develop friendships, etc. etc. etc.
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A very good point. Hence, schooling is better with mixed classes.
 
Gardener said:
Important stuff like how homosexuals should be killed, how women should be entombed in mummy suits and beaten if they don't comply or how Jews should be hunted down -- that sort of important stuff?
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I don't think that public schools are as good at preventing that type of information transfer as you seem to think. As a matter of fact, there is an interesting article in the present edition of Foreign Affairs on how terrorists develop to what they are.
 
gunner said:
A very good point. Hence, schooling is better with mixed classes.
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I completely agree; mixed sex, mixed religion, mixed race. The sooner single sex, faith-based education is seen as anachronistic as corporal punishment the better.
 
Andalublue said:
I completely agree; mixed sex, mixed religion, mixed race. The sooner single sex, faith-based education is seen as anachronistic as corporal punishment the better.
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There is no reason (in a proper and good educational system) where non-Muslims go to a Muslim based school and vice versa.
 
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