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Geert Wilders tells the truth to the Turkish[W:7:152]

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He had a Dutch video previously with Turkish subtitles, now I can abide forum regulations and post the "English" video. English between quotes.
 
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The truth.
 
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Well, that was direct!
 
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Natan said:


He had a Dutch video previously with Turkish subtitles, now I can abide forum regulations and post the "English" video. English between quotes.
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Slightly ironic that he should be whining about being told by the UK, "You are not wanted here," while saying the exact same thing to all Turks. Last I checked, he's in no position to welcome or to ban anyone from entering Europe.

And...

What is it about rabid racists and terrible hair? Do Wilders and Trump both think they look über-Aryan or summat?
 
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Andalublue said:
What is it about rabid racists and terrible hair? Do Wilders and Trump both think they look über-Aryan or summat?
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Actually Wilders thinks he's part jewish. And Donald Trump's daughter is married to a jew. But nice try simplifying stuff as anti immigration = anti semite / Nazi.
 
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Natan said:
Actually Wilders thinks he's part jewish.
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He's not. In any case, being part Jewish doesn't absolve you of being a racist, or an anti-semite for that matter.

And Donald Trump's daughter is married to a jew.
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And that means he can't be a rampant racist? Clearly a garbage argument as he's a self-evident and self-admitted racist.

But nice try simplifying stuff as anti immigration = anti semite / Nazi.
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I bow to your superior knowledge of all things Nazi. I guess you'd argue that Holocaust denial ≠ anti-semitism or Nazism too.
 
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Natan said:
He probably isn't. Didn't claim he was. I said he thinks he's part jewish.
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I think, and no more than that so no corroboration forthcoming, that it would suit him very well to be Jewish. He probably believes that would knock the floor out from under any accusations of being anti-semite.

Which, if that were indeed the case, would show that he doesn't know much about Jewry of today.

But whatever one wants to think of him, or level at him, in this statement (above) he's right.
 
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Wilders is a racist pig.
 
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The Witch hunt, Jew hunt, Turk(Muslim) hunt.
 
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PeteEU said:
Wilders is a racist pig.
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Yup.

Here a racist pig just happens to be correct though.

Not that he gives a damn one way or the other about Turkey or whether it gets into the EU or is rejected. Where attention becomes the primary currency, whoring for it becomes the primary urge.
 
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Chagos said:
Yup.

Here a racist pig just happens to be correct though.

Not that he gives a damn one way or the other about Turkey or whether it gets into the EU or is rejected. Where attention becomes the primary currency, whoring for it becomes the primary urge.
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Yes and the same was said about other nations and peoples through out the ages... you know, Jews, Spaniards, most Eastern European peoples, and even the Vikings and so on. It is bigatory and hatred... pure and simple. It is such attitudes that lead to the holocaust, the religious wars of Europe, the genocide of the American Indian, Blacks and so on.

Turkey is not ready for the EU, there is no doubt about that. Their legal system is not up to standard and the amount of religious meddling is a problem. This has to be fixed first no doubt about that. But pissing of the Turks in this way, has only one purpose... to insure more and more go to the radical side so that the conflict, hatred and bigatory will continue and hence keep this racist pig Wilders relevant in politics. All these neo-nazi facist pigs have the same agenda.. to keep themselves relevant by sowing hatred and bigatory in society. Hitler did it by targeting Jews, socialists, Gypsis, handicapped and homosexuals, and Wilders is doing it by targeting Muslims and people of colour.
 
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PeteEU said:
Hitler did it by targeting Jews, socialists, Gypsis, handicapped and homosexuals, and Wilders is doing it by targeting Muslims and people of colour.
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What's wrong with Hitler targeting socialists?
 
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PeteEU said:
Yes and the same was said about other nations and peoples through out the ages... you know, Jews, Spaniards, most Eastern European peoples, and even the Vikings and so on. It is bigatory and hatred... pure and simple. It is such attitudes that lead to the holocaust, the religious wars of Europe, the genocide of the American Indian, Blacks and so on.

Turkey is not ready for the EU, there is no doubt about that. Their legal system is not up to standard and the amount of religious meddling is a problem. This has to be fixed first no doubt about that. But pissing of the Turks in this way, has only one purpose... to insure more and more go to the radical side so that the conflict, hatred and bigatory will continue and hence keep this racist pig Wilders relevant in politics. All these neo-nazi facist pigs have the same agenda.. to keep themselves relevant by sowing hatred and bigatory in society. Hitler did it by targeting Jews, socialists, Gypsis, handicapped and homosexuals, and Wilders is doing it by targeting Muslims and people of colour.
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Where by sheer coincidence Wilders and I are of somewhat the same opinion regarding Turkey, I'd much prefer to not have him as spokesman.

As regards the issue itself, I'd suggest that naming the legal system as not up to standard and religious meddling posing a problem, is a bit of putting the harmless label on things.

The way this current idiot running the place is going, the legal system is on the point of being abolished completely and the most worrying issue of meddling is that of the gubmint.

Erdogan is running the place back to standards of the military dictatorships of the past and his recent criminal acts regarding Cumhuriyet merely serve to confirm the trend.

His interference in judiciary matters actually constitutes a crime also by Turkey's standards, but since by now any prosecutor can expect to be jailed as much as anybody else who causes the Sultan's wrath, there is no control of this despot anymore available.

With him at the helm Turkey will never even come close to qualifying for EU membership and that, in all the other general crap, is about the only thing applaudable.

P.S. .............it's bigotry BTW. Not because of any grammar or spelling Nazism, just because I know how a faulty spelling can be become habitual by not knowing and by nobody pointing it out. Had the same problem with Spanish words, spelling one of them incorrectly for years because nobody pointed it out for fear of being deemed impolite.:)
 
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Natan said:
What's wrong with Hitler targeting socialists?
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What's wrong with Hitler targeting anybody?

:roll:
 
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Natan said:
If being a good socialist you go Godwin on my thread, you deserve a bit of sarcasm.
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Do you know the actual parameters as set by Godwin himself? For the accusation to be validly levelled?

Fallacists' fallacy?
 
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Chagos said:
Do you know the actual parameters as set by Godwin himself?
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Why are you so quick to call fallacy (I notice this with Phoenix too)? Didn't end too well yesterday when you accused me of spinning things.
Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"[2][3]—​that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
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Natan said:
Why are you so quick to call fallacy (I notice this with Phoenix too)? Didn't end too well yesterday when you accused me of spinning things.
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Godwin's law actually hasn't made it into the logical fallacy field, most probably because he never intended it as such.

His observation that arguments of this here nature can only go on for a certain time before somebody brings Hitler into it is clearly correct. Doesn't say anything though about whether the comparison is then apt or not. From personal experience I find it to be, more often than not, invalid....read not apt. Fine example being not wanting any more "furriners" in own country and on that alone being already flung into Adolf's corner.

But it's also used as a convenient shut up tool, the accuser often not bothering to stop and think whether the comparison might not be applicable after all. Or, from ulterior motive, not wishing to.

My raising of "fallacist's fallacy" as a term was followed by a question mark, same as the previous questions?

Asking whether you'd heard of it/knew of it.

There are others that are popularly applied without thinking as well. "Tu quoque" for instance.

As to Phoenix, he didn't appear to recognize a logical fallacy when it slapped him upside the head. Or he'd not have committed as many, I'd think.
 
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I didn't claim he wrote a fallacy. I just find Godwinning a bloody annoying phenomenon.
 
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Chagos said:
Where by sheer coincidence Wilders and I are of somewhat the same opinion regarding Turkey, I'd much prefer to not have him as spokesman.
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I see what you mean and I agree. The problem is, that you and I might agree on Turkeys membership of the EU, but that is based on rational democratic principles... Wilders view is based on racism and fascism. He does not want them in the EU because they are Muslims and have darker skin. We dont want them because their country does not meet basic democratic and legal aspects that is core to being in Europe.

As regards the issue itself, I'd suggest that naming the legal system as not up to standard and religious meddling posing a problem, is a bit of putting the harmless label on things.
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No it is putting the correct label on things. It shows no bias.

The way this current idiot running the place is going, the legal system is on the point of being abolished completely and the most worrying issue of meddling is that of the gubmint.
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I dont disagree, and that is why I am saying that Turkey cant become an EU member because the legal system does not meet the conditions set down long ago.

Erdogan is running the place back to standards of the military dictatorships of the past and his recent criminal acts regarding Cumhuriyet merely serve to confirm the trend.
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I dont disagree, but lets be frank here... that can be said of pretty much any country where a borderline dictator wannabe gets power.. and even in some more "democratic" countries. Erdogan is a problem, the Turks know this, but as long as people outside.. like Wilders, continue to attack him and Turkey, then the Turks will rally behind him and the country. It is no different than any other country that feels under attack.. and this is exactly what Wilders and his fascist friends want.

His interference in judiciary matters actually constitutes a crime also by Turkey's standards, but since by now any prosecutor can expect to be jailed as much as anybody else who causes the Sultan's wrath, there is no control of this despot anymore available.
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I dont disagree, and again... does not meet the standards set down long ago.

With him at the helm Turkey will never even come close to qualifying for EU membership and that, in all the other general crap, is about the only thing applaudable.
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Yes, and then ask me this.. why is Wilders spouting his hatred them? Anyone with half a brain can see that Turkey wont meet basic democratic conditions to become a member (let alone economic), so why is Wilders and other far right wingers doing what they are doing?

P.S. .............it's bigotry BTW. Not because of any grammar or spelling Nazism, just because I know how a faulty spelling can be become habitual by not knowing and by nobody pointing it out. Had the same problem with Spanish words, spelling one of them incorrectly for years because nobody pointed it out for fear of being deemed impolite.:)
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Welcome to my world.. still need spell checker to correct thier to their... :)
 
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PeteEU said:
I see what you mean and I agree. The problem is, that you and I might agree on Turkeys membership of the EU, but that is based on rational democratic principles... Wilders view is based on racism and fascism. He does not want them in the EU because they are Muslims and have darker skin. We dont want them because their country does not meet basic democratic and legal aspects that is core to being in Europe.
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Because they are muslims: correct. Because they have darker skin: what makes you think so? A lot of Turks are further the same skin color by the way.
 
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