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French far-right makes major breakthrough to top regional elections[W:95]

Re: French far-right makes major breakthrough to top regional elections

Chagos said:
Spain went right, as did Slovakia. Better said, centre. That's what it would love people to believe. Factually it is far right. Just a statement, content of which corroborated by nothing, as usual. What, beyond being a meaningless platitude, is the point of such a statement?
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With regard Spain and Slovakia, not according to Guardian ( European elections: six countries that went left, not right | Politics | The Guardian ), and if UKIP is far right then so too is the Conservative party given they adopted a number of UKIP policies, which they had previously accused UKIP of being racist. Amazing how often the race card gets used by one party only to end up being used by the very same party that made such allegations. Note that both the French left and right wing parties had adopted a number of Marine Le Pen's Front National's policies.
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
With regard Spain and Slovakia, not according to Guardian ( European elections: six countries that went left, not right | Politics | The Guardian ),
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if you were able to (or at least took the time to) read and, what's more, comprehend the article, you'd save yourself a lot of embarrassment in citing it in support of you baseless claim.

So why not give it another try?
and if UKIP is far right then so too is the Conservative party given they adopted a number of UKIP policies, which they had previously accused UKIP of being racist.
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What balderdash. By that same combobulated logic Merkel may be deemed "green".
Amazing how often the race card gets used by one party only to end up being used by the very same party that made such allegations.
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What ARE you blathering about? Show us where the conservatives have ever gone as blatantly racist as UKIP goes all the time.
Note that both the French left and right wing parties had adopted a number of Marine Le Pen's Front National's policies.
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Again, and as one by now expects from you, a totally dishonest presentation of implying French left and right of center going down the racist path.
 
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Natan said:
Which is utterly irrelevant as to absolving her from blame in the "refugee" crisis.
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Speaking of irrelevant....................., post #25 fits the ticket:2razz:
 
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Chagos said:
if you were able to (or at least took the time to) read and, what's more, comprehend the article, you'd save yourself a lot of embarrassment in citing it in support of you baseless claim.

So why not give it another try? What balderdash. By that same combobulated logic Merkel may be deemed "green". What ARE you blathering about? Show us where the conservatives have ever gone as blatantly racist as UKIP goes all the time. Again, and as one by now expects from you, a totally dishonest presentation of implying French left and right of center going down the racist path.
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1. I did read it, and the swings to left reported,
2. I see no reason to change my opinion on UKIP,
3. NO, you show me where UKIP are blatantly racist. and
4. I implied no such thing with regard French left and right parties being racist. I simply pointed out they adopted some of NF's policies, which those left/right parties previously implied were racist, but ended up using those very same policies, as with controlling immigration into France. Note Sarkozy was pushing for that well prior to EU refugee/migrant crisis, and just prior to losing the French presidency to Hollande.

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Sarkozy calls for end to Europe’s open borders agreement

Latest update : 2014-05-22


Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy has broken his silence on this weekend’s European Parliamentary elections, voicing his support for Europe while also calling for an end to its open borders agreement.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140522...d-schengen-area-european-parliament-elections
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Phoenix One UK said:
The moment Merkel made the announcement, I knew what would happen, and I was not alone. I even stated as much within a debate on this very site within this very forum prior to exodus that followed Merkel's invitation.
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Of course it would happen.. it was handing the keys to the Nazis in all countries. But it is not the action of Merkel or other governments that are welcoming in these refugees that is the problem.. it is the actions of Le Pen and her thugs, Orban and his facists and UKIP/BNP/Britain First morons that exploit a human tragedy for their own political advancement. The hate they have and are exploiting in a fearful population is disgusting and that will only fuel ISIS and other terrorist organisations.
 
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Natan said:
Only around 20% of those flooding into Germany are Syrians. This has been pointed out time and again yet you chose to continue to distort the truth and most likely deliberately lie.
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And? The real refugees will be weeded out and the fake ones will be kicked out. There is a process we have to go through.. I know you want to mine the borders and shoot any Muslim that tries to cross it, but we do not live in Hollywood movie or in the 1930s.
 
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gunner said:
Merkel definitely had some part to play. You're all "welcome " remember?
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And? She and Germany played no part in the situation in Syria, both in the creation of that fake state to the placement of the Assad dynasty to the situation today. That is all France, UK and US fault.
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
1. I did read it, and the swings to left reported,
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Oh ferchrissake, even the article states on Spain that the PP won the largest portion of the vote. So stop lying.
2. I see no reason to change my opinion on UKIP,
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Which is totally irrelevant here.
3. NO, you show me where UKIP are blatantly racist. and
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all it takes is to read their party programme, deviously camouflaged as they try to make it. Not even the Telegraph is under any illusion here.

'No dogs. No blacks. No Irish' is now Ukip policy - Telegraph
4. I implied no such thing with regard French left and right parties being racist. I simply pointed out they adopted some of NF's policies, which those left/right parties previously implied were racist, but ended up using those very same policies, as with controlling immigration into France. Note Sarkozy was pushing for that well prior to EU refugee/migrant crisis, and just prior to losing the French presidency to Hollande.
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wiggle, twist, dodge.
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I won't play at your gish galloping games.
 
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Chagos said:
Oh ferchrissake, even the article states on Spain that the PP won the largest portion of the vote. So stop lying.
Which is totally irrelevant here.
all it takes is to read their party programme, deviously camouflaged as they try to make it. Not even the Telegraph is under any illusion here.

'No dogs. No blacks. No Irish' is now Ukip policy - Telegraph
wiggle, twist, dodge.
I won't play at your gish galloping games.
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I do believe I stated swing to the left, and I note you are quoting the Telegraph, and it appears OK to quote and believe what is published therein now I take it.
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
I do believe I stated swing to the left, and I note you are quoting the Telegraph, and it appears OK to quote and believe what is published therein now I take it.
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It's ok to quote ANYthing or anybody.

As long as it, him, or her are right.

You can quote "Mein Kampf" for all I care (as I can) on that parameter. Doesn't change the necessity of looking with suspicion at EVERYthing.

So, nice try at once again non-sequeturing and floating, as usual, not at all.

You stated nothing about any swing, you stated "went". In your original post.

Your methods of obfuscation won't work with me.

Pants on fire is, I believe, the adequate descriptor.
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
The Front National appear to have done better than many expected. They came first in 6 of 13 regions in first round.
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Good news. Looks like France is waking up.
 
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Chagos said:
It's ok to quote ANYthing or anybody.

As long as it, him, or her are right.

You can quote "Mein Kampf" for all I care (as I can) on that parameter. Doesn't change the necessity of looking with suspicion at EVERYthing.

So, nice try at once again non-sequeturing and floating, as usual, not at all.

You stated nothing about any swing, you stated "went". In your original post.

Your methods of obfuscation won't work with me.

Pants on fire is, I believe, the adequate descriptor.
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Unless it is I that does the quoting, and you do not like what was quoted says. Seems reasonable!
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
God this is so gross..... The "national front" is nothing but a bunch of xenophobic, far right wing authoritarians.... Way too many bigots, racists, and/or neo-nazi sympathizers make up this "front".
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Got any intellect/debate or just names and insults? Thought not.
 
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FN are not far right they are just right.
 
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in France he FN is often referred to as France's Nazi Party
 
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imyoda said:
in France he FN is often referred to as France's Nazi Party
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By the already discredited political and media establishment that is...
 
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The real title of this thread should be-

Socialists give up winning seats to give their voters over to the 'conservatives' to block FN

Wake up people, this is ridiculous.
 
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PakPuk said:
By the already discredited political and media establishment that is...
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There ya go..........that must be the answer..............
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
Unless it is I that does the quoting, and you do not like what was quoted says. Seems reasonable!
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I do not like dishonesty and the lies that arise from it. Another point you appear to refuse to get thru your head.

Using sources of ill repute is one matter already, twisting articles into having said something completely different to what they actually do say is simply dishonest.

So your accusation is as intellectually defunct as the lion's share of your posts is showing to be fallacious in context and conclusions.

In my book (and not just mine) that makes anything you post blatantly untrustworthy. Poor UKIP with a self declared spin doctor of your ilk.
 
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PakPuk said:
Got any intellect/debate or just names and insults? Thought not.
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Funny that, I didn't think so either. Different context though.
 
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PakPuk said:
FN are not far right they are just right.
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You wanna buy an opera house in Sydney?
 
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imyoda said:
in France he FN is often referred to as France's Nazi Party
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Not just in France
 
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PakPuk said:
this is ridiculous.
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correct, it is.

As is usually the case with bovine manure.
 
Re: French far-right makes major breakthrough to top regional elections

Chagos said:
I do not like dishonesty and the lies that arise from it. Another point you appear to refuse to get thru your head.

Using sources of ill repute is one matter already, twisting articles into having said something completely different to what they actually do say is simply dishonest.

So your accusation is as intellectually defunct as the lion's share of your posts is showing to be fallacious in context and conclusions.

In my book (and not just mine) that makes anything you post blatantly untrustworthy. Poor UKIP with a self declared spin doctor of your ilk.
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Just because you consider something to be true or not does not make it so. I learned that lesson a long time ago. Further, a lot of people believe in God but cannot prove any such God exists. Does that make them liars?
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
Just because you consider something to be true or not does not make it so. I learned that lesson a long time ago. Further, a lot of people believe in God but cannot prove any such God exists. Does that make them liars?
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More wiggling.

Quoting an article as saying something it does not say is basically lying. Exception would possibly be believing it to say what one understands, despite it clearly saying something else. That's just stupid.

Your equation to religious matter is merely obfuscating in your usual gish gallop manner and a case can be made that it's idiotic at that, too.
 
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