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Tony Blair: Former PM sparks FURY after lobbying US to persuade Britain to stay in EU

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Urethra Franklin said:
Ridiculous statement.
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Surf the net to see how Marine Le Penn and National Front are doing, and note they are doing it on ticket to not only to exit the euro but EU also.
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
..................... If you have a problem with source then take it up with them.
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No, I take it up with YOU (when I can even be bothered) because if they're incorrect or even downright lying, the responsibility for that lies with YOU for having cited them.

If you're too lazy to even research credibility, don't cite them. Trying to get out with a "well, I never said it, they did" merely shows the appalling level of debating skill.
Good luck with those originating from either UK or EU Parliament though. Everything I quoted from them is a matter of public record, and I included direct links to those also often enough.
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If those are wrong on any given subject and at any given time, whoever quotes them is there to face the music. What the heck them being public record has to do with anything here is anyone's guess.

As an argument of credibility it's laughable, so I don't know why you even make it.

Crap remains crap, no matter as to who publishes it. Use it in support of own agenda without critically disseminating, you start to smell too before long.
 
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Chagos said:
NO! DO NOT COME with some silly retort on how Germany is countering its population decrease with the current import of refugees.

Let's maintain a modicum of intellectual quality here, eh?
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Hmmmm... Considering pretty much every newspaper in Germany and many German politicians and business leaders are calling for immigration to counter population decrease, are you finally turning the direction of the oil tanker (that is your political orientation on this forum) and calling those immigration proponents liars or at least "intellectually dishonest"?
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
Surf the net to see how Marine Le Penn and National Front are doing, and note they are doing it on ticket to not only to exit the euro but EU also.
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I don't need to surf the net to find out what's happening in France, I fecking live here. And she's called Marine Le Pen. Get it right.

Le Pen's FN are probably going to do fairly well in the upcoming regional elections - a mid-term protest. Even if she were to ever get to a second round in the presidentials, she would face an "anything but Le Pen" vote as her father did in 2002, regardless of whether her opponent was Republican, PS, Modem, PCF, whoever. She is not going to be president and she will not lead France out of the EU. Only in your dreams.
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
Surf the net to see how Marine Le Penn and National Front are doing, and note they are doing it on ticket to not only to exit the euro but EU also.
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Surf the net
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Yeah, that says it all. Most revealing.

That where you get your powerful insights from?

What next, Marine taking over the state in 2017?
 
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Urethra Franklin said:
I don't need to surf the net to find out what's happening in France, I fecking live here. And she's called Marine Le Pen. Get it right.

Le Pen's FN are probably going to do fairly well in the upcoming regional elections - a mid-term protest. Even if she were to ever get to a second round in the presidentials, she would face an "anything but Le Pen" vote as her father did in 2002, regardless of whether her opponent was Republican, PS, Modem, PCF, whoever. She is not going to be president and she will not lead France out of the EU. Only in your dreams.
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Yeah well, the AfD is gonna take over Germany, Wilders the Netherlands, I'll have to look who the current fascist candidate is in Portugal and Spain (where I live) and the EDL is gonna take over the UK and then we'll all have one happy merry EU leaving party :roll:

And the Petry woman (currently the chief honcho of the German branch of anti-everythings) is gonna re-institute the Wehrmacht, just to show the whining rest what happens when you get constantly accused of refusing to overly involve your country militarily in anything.

They'll all get landslides victories since that's what everybody secretly yearns.

It's all on the net, doanchaknow?

Well, I'm sure it's somewhere there.

Lawd gimme strength.:mrgreen:
 
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Urethra Franklin said:
I don't need to surf the net to find out what's happening in France, I fecking live here. And she's called Marine Le Pen. Get it right.

Le Pen's FN are probably going to do fairly well in the upcoming regional elections - a mid-term protest. Even if she were to ever get to a second round in the presidentials, she would face an "anything but Le Pen" vote as her father did in 2002, regardless of whether her opponent was Republican, PS, Modem, PCF, whoever. She is not going to be president and she will not lead France out of the EU. Only in your dreams.
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Marine Le Pen is making headlines here in UK also, and if you do live in France you know what I stated is true. Note I also searched through French headlines at times to keep up with events.

Anyway, the following is for those who do not know.

Front National: Marine Le Pen and Marion Maréchal-Le Pen expect electoral breakthrough for France’s far-right

After the Paris atrocities, the ‘anti-Muslim’ far right is forecast to take over swathes of France. What can stop it?

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A 47-year-old woman – aunt of the first, and the leader of Europe’s most powerful far-right party – is likely to be the next president of another big chunk of France, starting a few miles from Kent and stretching almost to the northern suburbs of Paris.

If opinion polls are to be trusted, the Front National will make a spectacular breakthrough in a two-round regional election on Saturday and next Sunday.


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The Front National also looks likely to top the first-round poll in six out of the 12 “super-regions” created last year. The far right has a chance of forming governments in another two – Alsace-Lorraine in the east and Languedoc-Roussillon in the south.

Front National: Marine Le Pen and Marion Maréchal-Le Pen expect electoral breakthrough for France?s far-right | Europe | News | The Independent
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Natan said:
Isn't one allowed to dream? Some pretty famous person had a dream too one day and told the world about it...
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Wha................., Mohammed?

Go to bed Natan, you sound tired :mrgreen:
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
Marine Le Pen is making headlines here in UK also, and if you do live in France you know what I stated is true.
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One doesn't even need to live in France (although I'm there regularly) to know that the truth and what you state can't even see each other. What's the matter with you, can't you read what Uretha stated or can't you understand it?
Note I also searched through French headlines at times to keep up with events.
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....never mind about failing in the latter?

Anyway, the following is for those who do not know.
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....and, to offer my own version of elevating expectations to the state of significant truth, I expect to get laid tonight and tomorrow.

Probably Marine does as well.

We'll keep you posted on how our expectations worked out. :2razz:
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
Marine Le Pen is making headlines here in UK also, and if you do live in France you know what I stated is true. Note I also searched through French headlines at times to keep up with events.

Anyway, the following is for those who do not know.
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Did you actually read what I said about the regionals being a mid-term protest or are you just thick?

The regionals once saw the entire map of France going red bar one little swathe of blue to the east, yes, every single region bar Alsace went socialist. And who was elected president in the following presidential elections? Sarkozy!!

Are you a UKIP plant?
 
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Natan said:
Close, starts with an M too. :D
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Hmm.........I have a dream as well (see # 36) ;)
 
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Urethra Franklin said:
Did you actually read what I said about the regionals being a mid-term protest or are you just thick?

The regionals once saw the entire map of France going red bar one little swathe of blue to the east, yes, every single region bar Alsace went socialist. And who was elected president in the following presidential elections? Sarkozy!!

Are you a UKIP plant?
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I read it, and no, I am not a UKIP plant. The only party I actively worked for was Referendum party in 1997, and the only reason for that being they were not a political party as such. All they wanted to do was win and give the British people an EU in/out referendum after which they would call an early election and let the British people decide what party they wanted to govern the UK. Unlike UKIP they were a single issue party, and not a politician in the lot of them. Since then I did what I do alone. I am not a member or affiliated with any political party, and that is the way I like it.
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
I read it, .
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You just have limited understanding then?

Phoenix One UK said:
and no, I am not a UKIP plant. The only party I actively worked for was Referendum party in 1997, and the only reason for that being they were not a political party as such. All they wanted to do was win and give the British people an EU in/out referendum after which they would call an early election and let the British people decide what party they wanted to govern the UK. Unlike UKIP they were a single issue party, and not a politician in the lot of them. Since then I did what I do alone. I am not a member or affiliated with any political party, and that is the way I like it.
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Methinks the lady doth protesteth too much.
 
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Natan said:
To get laid by Marine Le Pen? You dirty bastard.
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Oh, I dunno. All depends on state of desperation and prior intake of ethanol.

That (latter) indeed being necessary.
 
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Natan said:
Hmmmm... Considering pretty much every newspaper in Germany and many German politicians and business leaders are calling for immigration to counter population decrease, are you finally turning the direction of the oil tanker (that is your political orientation on this forum) and calling those immigration proponents liars or at least "intellectually dishonest"?
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The claim (false as usual) starting this rubbish was that Germany's population is INcreasing.

Come on Natan, we might disagree a lot but that's no need for you to sink to the shenanigan level of others, seeing how you can clearly do better.

The decrease (actually factual) and, more so, the over-aging may be "countered" by "import", yet how does one spin that into an increasing German population? The current 80 mill. all die but they're going to let in 120 mill. ?
 
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Chagos said:
The claim (false as usual) starting this rubbish was that Germany's population is INcreasing.
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Well it is. They just aren't nationalized yet, but that seems unavoidable. On December 17 or 18, probably 500.000 more will be spread from Turkey all over the EU and hence some >100.000 in Germany.

Chagos said:
The decrease (actually factual) and, more so, the over-aging may be "countered" by "import", yet how does one spin that into an increasing German population? The current 80 mill. all die but they're going to let in 120 mill. ?
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An influx of one million per year is guaranteed to offset the current decrease. No need to "spin" anything.
 
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Natan said:
Well it is. They just aren't nationalized yet, but that seems unavoidable. On December 17 or 18, probably 500.000 more will be spread from Turkey all over the EU and hence some >100.000 in Germany.


An influx of one million per year is guaranteed to offset the current decrease. No need to "spin" anything.
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I'll go only by those statistics that I can doctor myself.

Any case, aren't all these jihadists gonna increase the German demise rate, once they've found the keys to the armory?
 
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Chagos said:
I'll go only by those statistics that I can doctor myself.
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Well, we'll see what the announcement will be on the 17th or 18th but I fear the worst.

Chagos said:
Any case, aren't all these jihadists gonna increase the German demise rate, once they've found the keys to the armory?
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I'll start preparing to change my Facebook profile pic to the one below.

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Natan said:
Well, we'll see what the announcement will be on the 17th or 18th but I fear the worst.


I'll start preparing to change my Facebook profile pic to the one below.

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You realize that your coordinates are known (being on FB is a pretty stupid move)?

Where drones got their name from (prick up yer ears).:mrgreen:
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
Well, Germany's population is increasing fast, so I guess they will be entitled to more MEPs. As for Scotland, I believe they have 6 MEPs. Good luck with them getting a say on much against the likes of Germany and many other member states. But, as you say, it is fair that way.
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You still dont get it... the MEPs do NOT VOTE in country blocks! So your whole conspiracy theory is blown out of the water from the start.
 
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PeteEU said:
You still dont get it... the MEPs do NOT VOTE in country blocks! So your whole conspiracy theory is blown out of the water from the start.
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I know, and already pointed out within another thread. Hmm, I believe that one was also in response to one of your posts. Changes nothing though, as same argument holds true, and that is even assuming any MEP manages to join or form a group.
 
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Phoenix One UK said:
I know, and already pointed out within another thread. Hmm, I believe that one was also in response to one of your posts. Changes nothing though, as same argument holds true, and that is even assuming any MEP manages to join or form a group.
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What are you on about?
 
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