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New divisions, new war

Beaudreaux said:
Russia would have absorbed all of mainland Europe by the 1960's (if not before) if it had not been for NATO, because the Germans, French, and others were still weak militarily from the damages they had received during WWII.
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Europe would still survive and people would still be speaking their own language nowday.
Ottoman empire lasted about 600 years and no one is speaking Turkish.
Europe change over the time, that's how it work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iha3OS8ShYs
That's why EU will never work the way many people believe or want to.
 
There is much more going on here than meets the eye. With Germany now entering the fray, this brings a total of at least FIVE major NATO member states who are either actively involved in the fight, or about to enter the combat theater. The most important point here is that each and every one of these countries is in the conflict in clear violation of international law. Neither has the backing of the UN Security Council, or has an invitation from the legal and internationally recognized (including by the UN) government in Damascus. In addition, none of these actors is acting under NATO Article 5, in other words, none has been attacked by another internationally recognized nation-state of entity (although it’s curious why the western governments have insisted on referring to a brutal terrorist group as a “State”, unless of course, they recognize it as such, which somehow gives them the color of law in Article 5).


Link: Turkey-NATO Crisis Sets Scene For Europe?s New ?EU Army?
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I found this one interesting, and the author raised some valid points.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
I found this one interesting, and the author raised some valid points.
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That is interesting, the point I've been making all along. Although it leaves out Russia, and the fact that they alone are in Syria with the necessary permission of Damascus.
 
Coin said:
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Europe would still survive and people would still be speaking their own language nowday.
Ottoman empire lasted about 600 years and no one is speaking Turkish.
Europe change over the time, that's how it work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iha3OS8ShYs
That's why EU will never work the way many people believe or want to.
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Okay. Then by all means please begin to defend yourselves so we can stop spending all our tax money doing so, since there's obviously no need for NATO.

End the EU. End NATO. End it all. Sounds great to me. We'll call the new system, the YOYO system (You're On Your Own).
 
DaveFagan said:
NATO and its' EU policies have been and are a constant threat to Russia.
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NATO'S EU policies? What are those?


Russia has been more than reasonable in not over-reacting to the threats.
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Which specific threats?

NATO is a USA toady organization, and the EU nations USA vassals.
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I might agree with you on the first, but not on the second.

Strange because EU and Russia share the same land mass and many common borders. USA Central Banks fear Russia and China because the Western Banks are cultures of DEBT and DEBT oriented monies and Russia and China are money surplus economies. In real world economies, money owns debt. This fear drives a lot of political moves, especially when Central Banks work together like USFed, BoE, BoJ, BIS, ECB, etc. and I think I make myself clear on this matter. Some geopolitics are a distraction so the citizens don't notice the banking moves. ""Conquering national economies and turning them over to ‘foreign investors,’" is the Western method using DEBT.
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Interesting stuff. I think it should be pointed out that the EU does indeed share the lad mass and borders with Russia. What we don't share is political culture. Countries who own the money that owns debt may well hold an advantage, however they need to concern themselves with the degree to which they expose themselves by owning debt of economies that they have little influence over in economic decision-making terms.
 
Andalublue said:
NATO'S EU policies? What are those?


Which specific threats?

I might agree with you on the first, but not on the second.

Interesting stuff. I think it should be pointed out that the EU does indeed share the lad mass and borders with Russia. What we don't share is political culture. Countries who own the money that owns debt may well hold an advantage, however they need to concern themselves with the degree to which they expose themselves by owning debt of economies that they have little influence over in economic decision-making terms.
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One specific EU policy was allowing missiles on Russian borders allegedly to defend against Iranian missiles.
The CIA coup in Ukraine was a case where Russia did not over react.
Perhaps "vassal" is an exaggeration of EU states overall.
 
DaveFagan said:
One specific EU policy was allowing missiles on Russian borders allegedly to defend against Iranian missiles.
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That wasn't an EU policy, but individual policies of individual nations. I'm not aware of the EU making any such collective policy.

The CIA coup in Ukraine was a case where Russia did not over react.
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I think that's taking things a bit far, don't you? If they had proof of direct CIA involvement in the Maidan uprising then I seriously doubt Russia would have remained so (relatively) sanguine.

Perhaps "vassal" is an exaggeration of EU states overall.
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Please to hear you concede that point. :peace
 
Beaudreaux said:
Okay. Then by all means please begin to defend yourselves so we can stop spending all our tax money doing so, since there's obviously no need for NATO.

End the EU. End NATO. End it all. Sounds great to me. We'll call the new system, the YOYO system (You're On Your Own).
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I think we are already on that "new system".
France is on it's own by a long time, as well as Russia, Turkey, Germany, UK, Ukraine.

Sarcastic but close to reality.
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