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'The EU is a Gigantic Sham, and Paris Was the End’

Phoenix One UK said:
I seen nothing that supports that argument. One does not infer the other, and would add that prior to creation of even the EEC that those countries co-existed and traded with each other. As for former Yugoslavia, I would argue that not even EU membership would have changed what happened. Note there are those in Scotland attempting to break away from UK, and same goes for those in Catalonia pushing to break away from Spain with both UK and Spain members of EU.
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Europe had been at war just thirteen years before the signing of the Treaty of Rome.

You cannot compare the Scottish or Catalan desire for independence with what happened in the former YU. Perhaps you understand the former YU even less than you understand the EU. Lecture me on Swansea if you will, but as someone who was born in Slovenia over 50 years ago, I know the ex-YU just a little better than your wife's family, Cariad.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Europe had been at war just thirteen years before the signing of the Treaty of Rome.

You cannot compare the Scottish or Catalan desire for independence with what happened in the former YU. Perhaps you understand the former YU even less than you understand the EU. Lecture me on Swansea if you will, but as someone who was born in Slovenia over 50 years ago, I know the ex-YU just a little better than your wife's family, Cariad.
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Oh yes I can because there is nothing in what you said that shows the peace enjoyed since would not have occurred even if EU did not exist.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Oh yes I can because there is nothing in what you said that shows the peace enjoyed since would not have occurred even if EU did not exist.
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Nobody can prove that it would or it wouldn't, but looking at Europe's history, it seems obvious that the cooperation brought about by the EU has helped to keep peace in western Europe.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Nobody can prove that it would or it wouldn't, but looking at Europe's history, it seems obvious that the cooperation brought about by the EU has helped to keep peace in western Europe.
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As you say, no-one can prove it one way or the other, and no, it does not seem obvious. You are speculating on something that you cannot support. EU or not, I put it to you that the peace all those years would had still happened, and that is an opinion you cannot disprove nor I prove. But there it is.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
As you say, no-one can prove it one way or the other, and no, it does not seem obvious. You are speculating on something that you cannot support. EU or not, I put it to you that the peace all those years would had still happened, and that is an opinion you cannot disprove nor I prove. But there it is.
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Then we agree to differ Cariad.
 
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