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Moscow Court Bans Church of Scientology

Gardener said:
Not all Muslims kill anybody. Their support for killing apostates, however, runs into the many hundreds of millions.

But, yes, one of the main differences that distinguishes a cult from a religion lies in the measures applied towards those who leave.
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Agreed.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
I didn't say it did.

The USA however does have bible bashing fruitloops who would, on the grounds of religion, wish to influence government policy.
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Influencing governmental policy is a part of free speech so long as it doesn't involve the government directly sponsoring a given religion.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Influencing governmental policy is a part of free speech so long as it doesn't involve the government directly sponsoring a given religion.
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Government policy should be based on fact, reason, research, empirical evidence, expert opinion, not the fairy tale that some mythical vengeful monster wants us to do it that way.
 
I strongly support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Especially Article 18 which states:
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
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Eric7216 said:
I strongly support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Especially Article 18 which states:
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Well, Scientology strongly opposes freedom of thought, conscience and religion, the right to change religion or belief to anything other than scientology.
 
Natan said:
Well, Scientology strongly opposes freedom of thought, conscience and religion, the right to change religion or belief to anything other than scientology.
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Isn't the most basic freedom the freedom to surrender your freedoms? If a person doesn't want freedom of thought he should be entitled to that by the state. I served in the military and the state itself allowed me to give away my freedom of thought.
 
Carjosse said:
I do not support cults that exploit people for money and violate the laws of a country.
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Rationalizing censoring ideas doesn't change the fact that it's what you are supporting. The Scientologists may be wack-a-doodle, but until there is a LEGAL reason for silencing them, then shutting them down is ideological and not lawful. I'm not up to date on Russian law, but here until I see where they've been charged and convicted of breaking the law, then they have every right to be as screwed up as they want to be. What Russia is doing may or may not be based on violations of their laws and that's up to them, but we have a responsibility to stand up for the rights of loons, because tomorrow it may you or I who gets to carry that label.
 
Hasn't Germany banned Scientology for a long time now?
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Government policy should be based on fact, reason, research, empirical evidence, expert opinion, not the fairy tale that some mythical vengeful monster wants us to do it that way.
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I agree, but they have their rights just as I have mine.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Jealous - no.
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Especially considering that were you jealous of him, the implication would be that he was a rival for the affection of another. Since you are female and he is male, not only would said other have to be bisexual, but one of the two of you would have to be either bisexual or gay.

Perhaps he meant envious, instead.
 
Gardener said:
If you are incapable of seeing the obvious, perhaps it would be better if you could develop your cognitive abilities to the point you distinguish between one thing and another on your own rather than pestering others to do it for you.
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If its so obvious why cant you explain then?
 
Luftwaffe said:
I agree, but they have their rights just as I have mine.
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They don't have the right to limit my access to abortion and contraception, or to deny gays equal rights, yet they try. I don't try to close their churches/mosques/synagogues/temples or enforce a certain lifestyle upon them through the law. There's the difference.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
They don't have the right to limit my access to abortion and contraception, or to deny gays equal rights, yet they try. I don't try to close their churches/mosques/synagogues/temples or enforce a certain lifestyle upon them through the law. There's the difference.
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Well in the United States, if they were to go through all the constutional troubles and were able to get the vast majority of the American population to have the constitution amended so that abortion and contraception, etc. are limited, then that is still within their rights.

We hear the phrase time and time again that the government is by, of, and for the people, courtesy of my man Abe Lincoln.

And it's wrong to deny the humanity and the "people-ship" of Christians and other religious people, no matter how bat-**** insane they may be, they too are deserving of representation and a voice in politics.

That is why I am an American, and I take pride in that fact. Do what you will in Europe.
 
Luftwaffe said:
That is why I am an American, and I take pride in that fact. Do what you will in Europe.
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In France our state is officially secular. I believe that's the case in the US too. Defend that to the death - once it's gone your civil liberties are finished.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
In France our state is officially secular. I believe that's the case in the US too. Defend that to the death - once it's gone your civil liberties are finished.
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Thanks for the good admonition!!
 
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