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Corbyn "aggressively heckled" by own party.

Infinite Chaos said:
I await furious backpedalling very soon by Corbyn's spokespeople over this. The Labour Party has landed itself in a right old pickle with a guy who wouldn't use our nuclear deterrent if we were threatened by a nuclear aggressor and now he doesn't like the police having a shoot to kill policy if there was an ongoing terrorist incident?

I'm now curious under what circumstances he would ever sanction our military into action.
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I can't believe this buffoon is leader of the labour party... it's mind boggling.

I know one thing for sure, if they'd of elected David Miliband over Dead In The Water Ed they'd never have fallen from grace so spectacularly.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I can't believe this buffoon is leader of the labour party... it's mind boggling.

I know one thing for sure, if they'd of elected David Miliband over Dead In The Water Ed they'd never have fallen from grace so spectacularly.
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As I remember it, the parliamentary party wanted David, the unions had a block vote which pushed in Ed. To try and prevent that, they created the new system and anyone who wanted to vote could - leaving a the thought that a lot of non-labour members joined to foist Corbyn onto the party.

As long as George Osborne isn't the new leader of the Conservatives, I'm happy the Labour Party has Corbyn - I'd rather have Boris Johnston in power after Cameron leaves office. It is worrying for the military because they have to imagine what would come if Labour somehow came to power and Corbyn was there, refusing to use any means to defend the nation.

Red_Dave said:
~ And lets be fair Chamlerlain sought to appease Hitler not because he was a weak kneed liberal but because he saw him as a bulwalk against communism. Hence why Germany was allowed to bomb Spain under his watch.
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And there was me thinking Chamberlain was as low as we could get. :shock:
 
Infinite Chaos said:
As long as George Osborne isn't the new leader of the Conservatives, I'm happy the Labour Party has Corbyn - I'd rather have Boris Johnston in power after Cameron leaves office.
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Forget it. Osborne is definitely Cameron's successor. The only thing that could prevent that is a major snafu with the EU referendum... and another economic crisis, which isn't beyond the realms of possibility. If that does happen, there's nothing anyone in the Tory party will be able to do to prevent Mr Corbyn being invited to the palace.

It is worrying for the military because they have to imagine what would come if Labour somehow came to power and Corbyn was there, refusing to use any means to defend the nation.
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Yes, it must be worrying for them, since a unilateralist pacifist in No.10 has always inhabited their nightmares.

And there was me thinking Chamberlain was as low as we could get. :shock:
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Pacifist ≠ appeaser.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I can't believe this buffoon is leader of the labour party... it's mind boggling.
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I know. It's difficult to believe that anyone could have elected a politician who doesn't lie, doesn't take bribes from business to do their bidding and will not cave into the military-industrial, permanent war hegemony. How could they?

I know one thing for sure, if they'd of (have!) elected David Miliband over Dead In The Water Ed they'd never have fallen from grace so spectacularly.
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If they'd elected David Milliband who knows, Labour could be in coalition with the Tories right now. How great would that have been for the British people?
 
Andalublue said:
Forget it. Osborne is definitely Cameron's successor. The only thing that could prevent that is a major snafu with the EU referendum... and another economic crisis, which isn't beyond the realms of possibility. If that does happen, there's nothing anyone in the Tory party will be able to do to prevent Mr Corbyn being invited to the palace.
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Yesterday's Andrew Marr show - Marr pointed out that Osborne's popularity was something like -18; I can't remember exactly as I had my young daughter with me and the only person with a lower rating was Corbyn at -32. Marr did point out that Osborne was trying to present himself as leadership material but I see him as unpopular as Gordon Brown proved despite all that man's years of maneuvering. If Osborne wins it, he won't be there for more than one Premiership.

Andalublue said:
Yes, it must be worrying for them, since a unilateralist pacifist in No.10 has always inhabited their nightmares.
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Well the police aren't too pleased either; you're facing an armed terrorist shooting civilians at will and you are not allowed to take the most effective option in neutralising a threat to the public. Shooting to wound (if they were allowed to shoot at all) is harder than shooting to kill because there is so much less to aim at. Ends up giving an attacker much more time and space to carry out their actions.

Andalublue said:
Pacifist ≠ appeaser.
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The overall end result is the same; putting a man in control who won't order the defence of his country would be just the same if we faced an aggressor.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Well the police aren't too pleased either;
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The police aren't as pissed off with Corbyn as they are with the current government. They absolutely loathe May, Cameron and Osborne - there's never been as big an attack on police funding as there has been in the last five years. They are really demoralised and Corbyn's reluctance on a shoot-to-kill policy doesn't even appear on their radar.

The overall end result is the same; putting a man in control who won't order the defence of his country would be just the same if we faced an aggressor.
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Yep, that's the right's narrative. You got that right.
 
Andalublue said:
~ Yep, that's the right's narrative. You got that right.
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I find that appalling, I think it's the duty of a Prime Minister to order the defence of his country and people in case of invasion, I find no honour in a man who would watch and keep troops in their barracks while the country is invaded. I'm lost for words, especially with his record regarding the IRA.

Andalublue said:
The police aren't as pissed off with Corbyn as they are with the current government. They absolutely loathe May, Cameron and Osborne - there's never been as big an attack on police funding as there has been in the last five years. They are really demoralised and Corbyn's reluctance on a shoot-to-kill policy doesn't even appear on their radar.
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The Defence review has just been announced and some of the cuts made in 2010 have been reinstated; details of the policing figures are yet to be released so I can't comment yet.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I find that appalling, I think it's the duty of a Prime Minister to order the defence of his country and people in case of invasion, I find no honour in a man who would watch and keep troops in their barracks while the country is invaded.
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Where are getting that from? Or are you just extrapolating from a Daily Mail editorial?

I'm lost for words, especially with his record regarding the IRA.
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His record on promoting peace in NI is second to no one's.

The Defence review has just been announced and some of the cuts made in 2010 have been reinstated; details of the policing figures are yet to be released so I can't comment yet.
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I wasn't talking about defence budgets, I was talking about policing. Let's wait and see if they do a U-turn on cuts to policing as well as defence.
 
Andalublue said:
Where are getting that from? Or are you just extrapolating from a Daily Mail editorial?
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See below.

Andalublue said:
Infinite Chaos said:
~ The overall end result is the same; putting a man in control who won't order the defence of his country ~
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Yep, that's the right's narrative. You got that right.
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Andalublue said:
~ His record on promoting peace in NI is second to no one's.~
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Well, I'll give him his sympathies with the republican cause.

Andalublue said:
~ I wasn't talking about defence budgets, I was talking about policing. Let's wait and see if they do a U-turn on cuts to policing as well as defence.
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Agreed.
 
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