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'50 leading Tories' to defy Prime Minister and call for EU exit

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'50 leading Tories' to defy Prime Minister and call for EU exit as MPs rebel over 'feeble' renegotiation demands

Rebels will put a formal proposal for Britain to leave the EU
Tory MP Steve Baker calls for fellow Tories to help anti-EU campaign
They want an end to the supremacy of EU-law over UK law


'50 leading Tories' to defy Prime Minister and call for EU exit as MPs rebel over 'feeble' renegotiation demands* | Daily Mail Online
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The EU in/out Referendum in UK is gathering momentum with Brexit polls showing the leave camp in leed. However, if the polls are to be believed, the leed shown in latest poll from YouGov is minor, and I use the words "to be believed" because I am sceptical due to what I read in comment sections of national press and even the national presses own polls which show a clear leed for out camp. Note that I am not implying any bias from YouGov or other pollers, but I do question what they say against what I see.

Regardless of what people may believe or not believe with regard polls, the fact that 50 MPs have chose to defy the PM would be a major blow to Cameron and in camp, especially as Cameron had already made it quite clear that he wants the UK to remain in EU.
 
The fact that it is the Daily Mail does not raise any questions?
 
Carjosse said:
The fact that it is the Daily Mail does not raise any questions?
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I learned a long time ago to question what is published in any newspaper. I also know newspapers must be able to support what they publish. They cannot just publish anything, though they probably would spin what the publish for maximum effect to attract readers. In saying that, I seen this one coming, as what is stated is not new in as much this action had been considered for a little while now, which of itself made headlines in other newspapers.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
The EU in/out Referendum in UK is gathering momentum with Brexit polls showing the leave camp in leed. However, if the polls are to be believed, the leed shown in latest poll from YouGov is minor, and I use the words "to be believed" because I am sceptical due to what I read in comment sections of national press and even the national presses own polls which show a clear leed for out camp. Note that I am not implying any bias from YouGov or other pollers, but I do question what they say against what I see.

Regardless of what people may believe or not believe with regard polls, the fact that 50 MPs have chose to defy the PM would be a major blow to Cameron and in camp, especially as Cameron had already made it quite clear that he wants the UK to remain in EU.
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Will the expats leave Spain and France if the UK leaves the EU?
 
le bouffon said:
Will the expats leave Spain and France if the UK leaves the EU?
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Some may do, but I for one will be applying for Spanish citizenship if the UK exits the EU. There's no doubt the lives of British ex-pats will be made harder by the little Englanders.
 
Carjosse said:
The fact that it is the Daily Mail does not raise any questions?
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Cameron certainly has a eurosceptic rump to deal with but the paper glorifies them calling them "leading." One or two may be but not 50.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
I learned a long time ago to question what is published in any newspaper. I also know newspapers must be able to support what they publish. They cannot just publish anything, though they probably would spin what the publish for maximum effect to attract readers. In saying that, I seen this one coming, as what is stated is not new in as much this action had been considered for a little while now, which of itself made headlines in other newspapers.
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HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAH.,..

<takes breath>

HAHAHHHAHAHHAH,...

<takes breath>

HAHAHAHAH

<takes breath>

The Daily Mail... have actual facts behind what they publish since when!?!?! The Daily Mail not print lies? HAHAH since when!? LOL.. omfgs my side hurts from all the laughing.
 
le bouffon said:
Will the expats leave Spain and France if the UK leaves the EU?
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Many will be forced too because they would need work permits and visas to stay.

The big question will be pensioners who at the moment gets healthcare locally. They will have to start paying for their own healthcare, which will be expensive. I suspect the costs of the NHS will explode as older Brits return to burden the NHS and the people actually paying for the system will be kicked out.
 
PeteEU said:
Many will be forced too because they would need work permits and visas to stay.

The big question will be pensioners who at the moment gets healthcare locally. They will have to start paying for their own healthcare, which will be expensive. I suspect the costs of the NHS will explode as older Brits return to burden the NHS and the people actually paying for the system will be kicked out.
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Not if they become British Subjects, and note there had been a flood of applications from such for exactly that reason. Further, please note they would then possess what is called dual nationality status. Now, to your post to me. Don't go away, back soon....
 
PeteEU said:
HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAH.,..

<takes breath>

HAHAHHHAHAHHAH,...

<takes breath>

HAHAHAHAH

<takes breath>

The Daily Mail... have actual facts behind what they publish since when!?!?! The Daily Mail not print lies? HAHAH since when!? LOL.. omfgs my side hurts from all the laughing.
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Are you saying that what the DM published is not true?
 
PeteEU said:
Many will be forced too because they would need work permits and visas to stay.

The big question will be pensioners who at the moment gets healthcare locally. They will have to start paying for their own healthcare, which will be expensive. I suspect the costs of the NHS will explode as older Brits return to burden the NHS and the people actually paying for the system will be kicked out.
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With the leaving GPs, this will only make Jeremy Hunt more unpopular.

Andalublue said:
Some may do, but I for one will be applying for Spanish citizenship if the UK exits the EU. There's no doubt the lives of British ex-pats will be made harder by the little Englanders.
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Good idea. It's a shame to see the expats being treated this way.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Are you saying that what the DM published is not true?
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Are you saying it is a trustworthy news source? I think you know that it isn't and that there's a ton of evidence out there to prove that it fabricates much of its news coverage. There are a few examples in this rationalwiki entry, with citations:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Are you saying that what the DM published is not true?
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Are you saying it is a trustworthy news source? I think you know that it isn't and that there's a ton of evidence out there to prove that it fabricates much of its news coverage. There are a few examples in this rationalwiki entry, with citations:

Daily Mail - RationalWiki
 
Phoenix One UK said:
I learned a long time ago to question what is published in any newspaper. I also know newspapers must be able to support what they publish. They cannot just publish anything, though they probably would spin what the publish for maximum effect to attract readers. In saying that, I seen this one coming, as what is stated is not new in as much this action had been considered for a little while now, which of itself made headlines in other newspapers.
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If you believe everything that is printed, you are in for some serious disappointment in life.

Any news outlet is driven by profits, not honesty and accuracy, and taking the risk to be 'first'.

"If it bleeds, it leads".
 
SMTA said:
If you believe everything that is printed, you are in for some serious disappointment in life.

Any news outlet is driven by profits, not honesty and accuracy, and taking the risk to be 'first'.

"If it bleeds, it leads".
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I don't trust anything because it is printed, and really do not care who does the printing. I had certainly made my position clear enough on that point enough times in number of threads.
 
Andalublue said:
Are you saying it is a trustworthy news source? I think you know that it isn't and that there's a ton of evidence out there to prove that it fabricates much of its news coverage. There are a few examples in this rationalwiki entry, with citations:

Daily Mail - RationalWiki
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I am saying it is supported. If you link to Conservative home web site not only should you note they are not disputing what the DM published, but they have actually included the DM publication on issue on their site.
 
I hate quoting DM, as I always get this from one or more other posters. The problem is, the other publications that are running the story are using same source. Hence, as said, I suggest a visit to Conservative Home website. Not only are they not denying it but have also included it on their own site. Note Conservative Home website is Conservative Party's own web site.

Newslinks for Tuesday 17th November 2015 | Conservative Home
 
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