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origins and destinations for asylum so far 2015

PeteEU said:
Hungarians are no more racist than any other nation. Problem is that they elected into power a party and government that is fascist. This party and government has then gone the GOP way, and gerrymandered the election system and political system in such a way that they basically never can lose power. I suspect most Hungarians are against this, but we will never know because the government is run by a far right wing fascist party that controls everything including more and more.. the media.
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Its a shame that Brad Pitt couldnt sneak those guns in there. They may have come in handy sometime in the future hey.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You're on the kind of dangerous dodgy ground that blames a whole people for the actions of their government. You can no more blame and broadbrush all French people for the actions of Francois Hollande's govt or all Americans for the actions of Barack Obama or all Jews for the actions of Bibi Netanyahu.

Sadly, I have seen on this forum, world leaders called antisemitic for criticising the Israeli Govt because posters wanted to believe the broadbrush approach applies. You shouldn't do it too - try meeting some Hungarians and talking to them. You'll find the same people you would otherwise do general day-to-day interactions with.
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Well I guess. But they have elcted these people. And I dont see them overthrowing them or anything. But yes I agree pretty much. Sorry Hungarians.
 
spangledbanner said:
Well I guess. But they have elcted these people. And I dont see them overthrowing them or anything. But yes I agree pretty much. Sorry Hungarians.
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Could say the same about Turks, the ordinary ones you meet in Turkey and here in the UK are lovely people but you could easily see them all being called islamist mysoginists for the reason they keep reelecting Erdogan to power.

Anyhow, the daughter of a long time friend from Nigeria is engaged to a wonderful Hungarian guy in London, they went to Hungary for 3 months in March and had the most amazing time apparently. They travelled and stayed in small villages, towns and cities and like anywhere met lots of ordinary friendly people.
 
joG said:
I'm sure you would speak differently if you were Balkan gypsy or a Serbian from a Muslim area. And if you thought about the fact that the the overwhelming majority of Syrians come from camps in countries as safe as Kosovo, you might set more interesting questions. Add in the thousands that were let drown fleeing from wars in Africa and one might get closer to the moral fabric of your favorite organization.
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This exodus from Syria seems unprecedented.

I wonder who is planning and organizing it ??

There has to be someone doing all this.

I cannot believe it is all spontaneous.

I am not sure what Germany is going to do with all these unemployed people, however one obvious solution is draft them into the Wehrmacht and use them as a shield against Putin in Ukraine.
 
Germany doesn't have a Wehrmacht.

That apart from all the other baloney offered in the post.
 
Riveroaks said:
This exodus from Syria seems unprecedented.

I wonder who is planning and organizing it ??

There has to be someone doing all this.

I cannot believe it is all spontaneous.

I am not sure what Germany is going to do with all these unemployed people, however one obvious solution is draft them into the Wehrmacht and use them as a shield against Putin in Ukraine.
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The given reasoning is that demography requires the import of labor. This is being told the population. The Innenministerium has been preparing a plan to grant limited tenure permits to the Syrians, however, that would not allow family members entry, it turned out yesterday. My take is that there are many agendas being worked in each party and in competition with one another.
 
joG said:
The given reasoning is that demography requires the import of labor. This is being told the population. The Innenministerium has been preparing a plan to grant limited tenure permits to the Syrians, however, that would not allow family members entry, it turned out yesterday. My take is that there are many agendas being worked in each party and in competition with one another.
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The denial of entry to family members as well as other limitations on refugee status to Syrians was the Minister of the Interior's own initiative on which he's meanwhile back-pedalled. Clearly he overreached his own pay grade
 
Chagos said:
The denial of entry to family members as well as other limitations on refugee status to Syrians was the Minister of the Interior's own initiative on which he's meanwhile back-pedalled. Clearly he overreached his own pay grade
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That seems to be the case, though, it also appears that the points had been cleared within the party for preparation by the bureaucracy and that the problem was in making it public too early after the Thursday (?) agreement with Gabriel (SPD) and his people, who as in previous situations says he had not agreed or known of the plans.
 
Chagos said:
The denial of entry to family members as well as other limitations on refugee status to Syrians was the Minister of the Interior's own initiative on which he's meanwhile back-pedalled. Clearly he overreached his own pay grade
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Ps: there was a piece on Syrian asylum refugees that want to bring in their families under present law on public TV (ARD) just now. I had not realized that each family member needs a German guarantor of all costs the Syrian might incur as long as the Syrian stays. The commitment is irrevocable.
 
joG said:
That seems to be the case, though, it also appears that the points had been cleared within the party for preparation by the bureaucracy and that the problem was in making it public too early after the Thursday (?) agreement with Gabriel (SPD) and his people, who as in previous situations says he had not agreed or known of the plans.
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Yeah, there going to continue arguing about it, despite last Thursday's coalition accord.

joG said:
Ps: there was a piece on Syrian asylum refugees that want to bring in their families under present law on public TV (ARD) just now. I had not realized that each family member needs a German guarantor of all costs the Syrian might incur as long as the Syrian stays. The commitment is irrevocable.
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From what I can garner, it's complicated anyway. Bureaucratic hurdles, where not insurmountable, tend
to discourage the process for the faint of heart. There's no automatism, cases need be applied for individually. Although success will probably be the result in the end.
 
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