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Latest trend in Germany: refugees burning down their own accomodation

Phoenix One UK said:
Walking that street, going to town, taking your kids to and from school is more than enough for many people, and, as such, it became an election issue at last two general elections in UK. Cameron even promised he would reduce the numbers coming into UK to tens of thousands. Needless to say the Government office of statistics torpedoed that pledge. Then we have Cameron making a red line on migration from other member states. There is a problem with that also. The EU clearly stated to global population that their open border policy was NOT negotiable.
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What was truly remarkable in the last British election was the leader of the Labour Party saying that he would make any criticism of Islam (Islamophobia) illegal. This coincides with the US Presidents assertion in the UN that "The Future Must Not Belong To Those Who Slander The Prophet Of Islam" This is getting into dangerous territory for anyone who values freedom of speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAwMpL7POyo
 
Grant said:
Which is a greater threat to Europe in the near and distant future, neo-Nazis or Islamists? Derogatory terms were being used against any European who protests against the diminishing of their culture through the EU and the same pattern is being repeated by those protesting against the infusion of an aggressive religion into their communities.

It does seem that more negativity is being put on the shoulders of the often unwilling hosts than those invading their homelands.
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In my opinion, the neo-nazis are no threat at all. And I don't necessarily consider them racists, either. But I'm definitely not crazy about invading jihadists.
 
Grant said:
What was truly remarkable in the last British election was the leader of the Labour Party saying that he would make any criticism of Islam (Islamophobia) illegal. This coincides with the US Presidents assertion in the UN that "The Future Must Not Belong To Those Who Slander The Prophet Of Islam" This is getting into dangerous territory for anyone who values freedom of speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAwMpL7POyo
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I am not religious and do not believe in any God. However, I do recognise many people do, and no matter what their faith, I try to respect their beliefs, as long as it is not imposed on myself or family. That being said, I do believe that religion has no place in politics. History taught me that much, as did the number of wars fought in the name of God. I usually support my position with simple observation that most people respected. Religious texts were not written by any God. They were written by man, and history clearly shows religious texts were often adopted to justify many inhuman action, including genocide.
 
betuadollar said:
In my opinion, the neo-nazis are no threat at all. And I don't necessarily consider them racists, either. But I'm definitely not crazy about invading jihadists.
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The main problem with the extreme right is the way successive governments have treated the period of the Third Reich and attitude they have demonstrated towards foreigners.
 
joG said:
The main problem with the extreme right is the way successive governments have treated the period of the Third Reich and attitude they have demonstrated towards foreigners.
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Sure, publicly, they still worry they'll be accused of nationalism. But silently they're hoping the neos will take care of their light work. Because if they don't, the Germans will cease to exist as a people of the forest. And consider what they are artistically and technology capable of and that's not good for the world. That's one society that does not believe in allowing itself to be dumbed down.
 
betuadollar said:
In my opinion, the neo-nazis are no threat at all. And I don't necessarily consider them racists, either.
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Naw, they just hate Jews and other semites. That's ok.
But I'm definitely not crazy about invading jihadists.
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........nor is anybody else.
 
betuadollar said:
No, absolutely not. They have a culture that we know dates to at least Tacitus, as a "one people." There are differences but by and large they consider themselves one big family.
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......of the forest?
 
betuadollar said:
In my opinion, the neo-nazis are no threat at all. And I don't necessarily consider them racists, either. But I'm definitely not crazy about invading jihadists.
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Their commonality, if there is one, is the hatred of Jews. Do these German neo-Nazis, like many Muslims, still hate Jews?
 
Phoenix One UK said:
I am not religious and do not believe in any God. However, I do recognise many people do, and no matter what their faith, I try to respect their beliefs, as long as it is not imposed on myself or family. That being said, I do believe that religion has no place in politics. History taught me that much, as did the number of wars fought in the name of God. I usually support my position with simple observation that most people respected. Religious texts were not written by any God. They were written by man, and history clearly shows religious texts were often adopted to justify many inhuman action, including genocide.
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I certainly agree with you to a point but also feel that every group has a say in politics, with many points of view involved. A free society with a Constitution that will guarantee that freedom, despite any bad choices, is the best way to go. It may get irritating as hell sometimes but that's a low price to pay.
 
joG said:
The main problem with the extreme right is the way successive governments have treated the period of the Third Reich and attitude they have demonstrated towards foreigners.
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It wasn't just foreigners, it was their own people.
 
Grant said:
Their commonality, if there is one, is the hatred of Jews. Do these German neo-Nazis, like many Muslims, still hate Jews?
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The Jewish concern is widespread even amongst liberals. There is fear, not unfounded, of eventual reprisal. But neos, no, they're obviously focused on more pressing issues.
 
Grant said:
Their commonality, if there is one, is the hatred of Jews. Do these German neo-Nazis, like many Muslims, still hate Jews?
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By default.

In the areas where these neo-nazis are most widely spread (former East German lands) there are just not enough Jews about to serve as a gratifying target. Also public support might not be as forthcoming as with general xenophobia propaganda.
 
Grant said:
Mostly Jews, right? In fact the Nazis shared views not uncommon among those invading Germany today. Islamic Extremism: Common Concern for Muslim and Western Publics | Pew Research Center
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If you mean with "their own" that the Jews were and Muslims are generally perceived as belonging to the German people, that would probably be incorrect. Recently this was demonstrated quite clearly by the negative reaction to the Bundespräsident saying that Islam belongs to Germany. Technically there might be a lot of Muslim citizens and officially they might be considered Germans. But the fact remains that they are widely felt to be undesirable aliens much as the Jewish communities were in the 1920sand 1930s.
 
joG said:
If you mean with "their own" that the Jews were and Muslims are generally perceived as belonging to the German people, that would probably be incorrect. Recently this was demonstrated quite clearly by the negative reaction to the Bundespräsident saying that Islam belongs to Germany. Technically there might be a lot of Muslim citizens and officially they might be considered Germans. But the fact remains that they are widely felt to be undesirable aliens much as the Jewish communities were in the 1920sand 1930s.
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By 'their own' I meant, of course, their own citizens. There is not a great of Islam in German history and Germany has never been considered a Muslim nation, though that may change in the future.

The fact is that there were Jewish citizens in Germany who were discriminated against as well as sent to the 'killing centers'. German Jews during the Holocaust, 1939?1945

You seem to have missed the point that many Muslims share the same prejudices against Jews that the Nazis once did.
 
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