When those laws were written (especially the bit about returning a person to a country where torture happens) I doubt the writers were cognisant of the intricacy of the situation Hamza and Abu Qatada in particular.
Irrelevant. Equal under the law. In fact the laws were put in place to protect everyone from persecution by the state.... you know like what Hitler did. What you are now saying, is that because these guys are Muslim and we dont like them, then we can ignore a fundamental part of western society... sorry but is just wrong on so many levels.
I also think when people wrote and agreed to asylum processes they didn't think people might journey through other countries to get to a specific chosen destination or that those who had asylum would then "bite the hand that fed it" as Hamza did or Qatada did and then use our own freedoms against us.
Again irrelevant. Equal under the law. The asylum process was put in place to help people fleeing political persecution and conflict. How that your government applies such asylum rules is up to you.. which is why you let in Egyptian radical priests is beyond me... Stop blaming the EU or "outdated" treaties when it is your own rules and government that made the mistake in the first place. Breaking human rights and your own laws and fundamental beliefs just because the guy is an asshole, is just.. wrong.
And before you go all nationalistic on me, my own country implements their asylum laws differently.. for example, Iranian and gay.. not enough for asylum so they are sent back to be most likely executed. Funny how you dont hear much about that eh? Oh yea, fully legal according to Danish law and European law, so any appeal to the European court system is DOA. Morally disgusting yes, but legal.
People come and say the UK is weak or not what it once was - without understanding the situation that laws or treaties written many years ago may eventually fail us or need to be updated. You are as bad as those who say the UK is not what it was because when our politicians speak of updating treaties or changing them because they are no longer valid you want us to stick to an out of date treaty "just because."
Horse****. Those very same treaties are being upheld everywhere else, so what makes the UK suddenly special? The reason you have been put into these situations is not the treaties, but your own laws. Take the guy you wanted to kick to Jordan. You KNEW that Jordan would torture him and that goes against all UK principles.. and yet the government of the time tried to kick him out back to Jordan despite this. They knew it was wrong but did it anyways. So tell me.. how on earth is that the fault of the European Human Rights treaty? Oh btw, he got his day in court and was not guilty and freed.. /clap.
That is no reason to bind a country to old treaties.
Now that is one hell of a dangerous attitude.... just think what you are saying there. Old treaties like border treaties? So if the UK wont be bound by them, so why should other countries? If the UK does not want to be bound by human rights, then why should other countries? One thing is for sure, if the UK leaves the human rights treaty, then they are in the same boat as brutal dictators.. is that what you want? The founders of most human rights laws on the planet.. all of a sudden dont agree with their own principles and want to beat the **** out of specific Muslims... is that the legacy you want?
Right now, those out of date treaties may become a gravy train for Choudary's lawyers - the only thing helping us is that he's representing himself so far. No doubt, some lawyer seeking to make their name will step in and we'll end up in the European Courts of Justice with a huge bill on our hands but that's by the by.
Basic human rights are now "out of date" treaties? Again the gravy train is not the treaties, but UK law and the failed implementation by your government (regardless of who is in power). Now we dont know much yet about what made the Police arrest them, but I hope to god that it is legit and iron clad... because else you got another serious problem.
Of course the skeptical parts of society could say it might be a ploy by the conservatives to create another cluster-****, blame the EU and the European Human Rights treaty and then push through leaving it... and implementing your own "human rights" law that is so nicely fitted so that the government can screw over anyone they dont like. That is after all the right wing way of doing things... /wave GITMO!
