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EU vice-president: Copyright legislation is “pushing people to steal”

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EU vice-president: Copyright legislation is

Andrus Ansip, the European Commission's Vice-President for the Digital Single Market, has admitted that EU copyright law is "pushing people to steal," because they seek out illegal copies of works that are not available to them legally because of the widespread use of geoblocking in Europe
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He makes a lot of correct and interesting points. Hope he can push through changes to copyright legislation in the EU, so we can get access to content legally.

Sadly I suspect the big content providers will do everything to screw over the EU consumer instead of embracing the future.
 
From the source:

He pointed to Spotify as an example of how people could be encouraged to pay for copyright material: "if somebody is able to provide services with better quality, with higher speed, people prefer to act as honest people; they are ready to pay, they don't want to steal."
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So people do not want to steal entertainment, they have to? Well....
 
It makes sense. I'm in the US and can access all the sports and torrents i want thru .eu sites

our copyright laws are pure insanity however, so no one respects them in the least
 
PeteEU said:
has admitted that EU copyright law is "pushing people to steal," because they seek out illegal copies of works that are not available to them legally because of the widespread use of geoblocking in Europe
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Admitted? Bs!

People steal becasue they are greedy self centered assholes who thing they are entitled to what they take.
 
chromium said:
It makes sense. I'm in the US and can access all the sports and torrents i want thru .eu sites

our copyright laws are pure insanity however, so no one respects them in the least
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Has nothing to do with that.

It has to do with, I as a Dane cant access Danish Netflix in Spain, or UK Netflix in Spain, or even get English language versions of movies off Google Play and iTunes.

It would be like people in New York could not access Netflix or a similar service but the rest of the US could.
 
Excon said:
Admitted? Bs!

People steal becasue they are greedy self centered assholes who thing they are entitled to what they take.
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And congrats in not understanding the problem.

Do you know what geo-blocking is? Of course not, because the US is the one that is more likely to geo-block the rest of us. And in the US, Nevada does not geo-block New York on digital content.

Now in Europe, we have a Netflix in the UK, Denmark and Germany. However the content is not only different, but most serious Netflix users actually use a VPN to access the US version because it is so much better. But then we have countries that dont have Netflix at all, like Spain or Italy.. now what should those consumers do to access Netflix content? They have 2 choices... use a VPN to by pass geo-blocking, and that is technically illegal or to just steal the content.

These law changes that hopefully will come, is to increase competition and to increase access so there is no reason to pirate stuff. I use Spotify free service.. I dont pirate music any more unless the songs are not on the service.. so Taylor Swift screw you. I would love to use Netflix, but cant because it is not here in Spain and I cant legally access the UK or Danish versions. So I am forced into alternative ways of getting the Netflix exclusive content.
 
Machiavelli 101:
1. Have a proxy manufacture a crisis.
2. Profit from crisis.
3. Wait until people get pissed off.
4. Gain public support by solving the crisis you yourself manufactured. (For bonus points, denounce and possibly execute your former proxy for his crimes.)
5. Pocket proceeds and start manufacturing a new crisis.

The EU is responsible for the ridiculous European copyright and patent laws.
The solution is stymieing the EU, not rewarding them with more power and public support for solving problems they themselves created in the first place.
 
HK.227 said:
Machiavelli 101:
1. Have a proxy manufacture a crisis.
2. Profit from crisis.
3. Wait until people get pissed off.
4. Gain public support by solving the crisis you yourself manufactured. (For bonus points, denounce and possibly execute your former proxy for his crimes.)
5. Pocket proceeds and start manufacturing a new crisis.

The EU is responsible for the ridiculous European copyright and patent laws.
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LOL no it is not. Copyright is and always has been a national issue. Copyright laws go back to before the EU was formed and the Internet was invented.

The solution is stymieing the EU, not rewarding them with more power and public support for solving problems they themselves created in the first place.
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You have no clue on what you are talking about. Next you are going to tell me that the telecoms monopoly we had 30 years ago was the EUs fault as well.
 
HK.227 said:
Copyright Directive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It continues to amaze me how anyone can so consistently get simple and easily verifiable facts wrong in just about every post he makes...
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Yes it amazes me how you can post a link and NOT READ IT!

It was a harmonization of existing out of date copyright legislation in individual countries. The freaking Internet was barely functioning when this directive came into effect. It is trying to use pre-information age copyright ideas on a borderless Internet.. and that is where the mistake is. You are blaming the EU for copyright legislation that was in effect long before the Copyright Directive... all the EU did, which is its job, is to harmonize it so the rules are the same across the EU. That does not mean that the copyright legislation changed in any way that would allow the free movement of information technology across borders.. in fact it kept in place the very restrictions that are the freaking problem.

What the EU wants is new legislation that replaces this out of date national legislation and embraces the Internet as a borderless in the 21st century.
 
PeteEU said:
EU vice-president: Copyright legislation is



He makes a lot of correct and interesting points. Hope he can push through changes to copyright legislation in the EU, so we can get access to content legally.

Sadly I suspect the big content providers will do everything to screw over the EU consumer instead of embracing the future.
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calling it "stealing" is patently incorrect.
 
PeteEU said:
That does not mean that the copyright legislation changed in any way that would allow the free movement of information technology across borders.. in fact it kept in place the very restrictions that are the freaking problem.
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No, it did not keep them in place, it steadily made them worse over the next decade. Furthermore it is the openly stated ambition of the EU to seek greater powers of enforcement.
Enforcement of intellectual property rights - European Commission



PeteEU said:
It was a harmonization of existing out of date copyright legislation in individual countries.
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Said "Harmonization" was planned, executed, and administrated by a supranational entity, therefore it can logically no longer be a national matter. Dumbass.
 
PeteEU said:
EU vice-president: Copyright legislation is



He makes a lot of correct and interesting points. Hope he can push through changes to copyright legislation in the EU, so we can get access to content legally.

Sadly I suspect the big content providers will do everything to screw over the EU consumer instead of embracing the future.
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What's "pushing (hundreds of millions of) people to steal" copyrighted content is the availability and the low concern for violating property rights. You can try battling it and you can indeed reduce it by changing copyright laws but it will never stop and will never reduce significantly enough.
 
Apocalypse said:
What's "pushing (hundreds of millions of) people to steal" copyrighted content is the availability and the low concern for violating property rights. You can try battling it and you can indeed reduce it by changing copyright laws but it will never stop and will never reduce significantly enough.
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Of course you cant fully remove it, but you can reduce it drastically. We have seen it in music piracy, where Spotify single handed has reduced piracy in many countries because of its free service. I mean the only reason to piracy music now days is doing a Taylor Swift and then frankly the deserve it. Limiting access is utterly stupid for any artist. In Norway streaming music services often connected to mobile phone contracts and so on, have all but destroyed piracy of music in the country. Who would have thought that giving people access to content in the way and price they demand.. will reduce "stealing" wow!

Right now, the copyright laws are national (but harmonized) and believe that there are borders on the internet. So we have geo-blocking, meaning that I as a person in Spain can not legally access Netflix in the UK or Denmark and since there is no Netflix in Spain yet, then I am denied access to content I want. It is far from the only example. Spotify came to Denmark as one of the last places, not because Spotify did not want to go there, but because they were refused rights by the same companies who gave rights in other countries. Because of the copyright rules, Spotify had to block any access from Denmark (VPN of course worked), which is idiotic since you could get it in Sweden and Germany.. that is next door neighbours btw.

The current copyright laws prevent innovation and competition pure and simple.
 
PeteEU said:
And congrats in not understanding the problem.

Do you know what geo-blocking is? Of course not, because the US is the one that is more likely to geo-block the rest of us. And in the US, Nevada does not geo-block New York on digital content.

Now in Europe, we have a Netflix in the UK, Denmark and Germany. However the content is not only different, but most serious Netflix users actually use a VPN to access the US version because it is so much better. But then we have countries that dont have Netflix at all, like Spain or Italy.. now what should those consumers do to access Netflix content? They have 2 choices... use a VPN to by pass geo-blocking, and that is technically illegal or to just steal the content.

These law changes that hopefully will come, is to increase competition and to increase access so there is no reason to pirate stuff. I use Spotify free service.. I dont pirate music any more unless the songs are not on the service.. so Taylor Swift screw you. I would love to use Netflix, but cant because it is not here in Spain and I cant legally access the UK or Danish versions. So I am forced into alternative ways of getting the Netflix exclusive content.
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:doh
Lame reply.
I know blocking geo-block is. It is irrelevant to my comment.

So congrats for not understanding the underlying issue of human nature.
As stated, the problem is greedy self centered assholes who think they are entitled to what they take.
Not everybody desires, let alone takes was is not theirs to take.
That is the problem. Not geo-blocking.
To attribute the lack of personal self control to geo-blocking, is ludicrous.




SlevinKelevra said:
calling it "stealing" is patently incorrect.
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Taking possession of that which is not yours to take, is stealing.
While this stealing may not fit the crime of theft because it is that of making a copy, it is still stealing because the person is deliberately taking possession of that which is not theirs to do so.
 
Excon said:
:doh
Lame reply.
I know blocking geo-block is. It is irrelevant to my comment.
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No it is not.

So congrats for not understanding the underlying issue of human nature.
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What human nature?

As stated, the problem is greedy self centered assholes who think they are entitled to what they take.
Not everybody desires, let alone takes was is not theirs to take.
That is the problem. Not geo-blocking.
To attribute the lack of personal self control to geo-blocking, is ludicrous.
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What on earth are you talking about? The problem is lack of access pure and simple. You live in part of the world that has first access to many things so you have no clue to how it is in the rest of the world. Waiting months or years if at all for access to movies and TV series and even music, because the greedy industry is denying companies to provide the content the way consumers want and as fast as possible.

Let me ask you this.. you have access to a product because you are in the US, then why on earth in the 21st century cant I have access to the same product as long as I pay for it?
 
PeteEU said:
No it is not.
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Yes, geo-blocking is irrelevant to my reply.
You do not get to decide how one does business, nor do not have the right to steal when you do not like it. That is what makes it irrelevant.
The real issue is those who think that can take that which is not theirs to take, not geo-blocking.


PeteEU said:
What human nature?
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Lame. The human nature of those who wish to take that which is not theirs to take.


PeteEU said:
The problem is lack of access pure and simple.
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:naughty
No. The problem is greedy self centered assholes who think they are entitled to take what they want.


PeteEU said:
You live in part of the world that has first access to many things so you have no clue to how it is in the rest of the world. Waiting months or years if at all for access to movies and TV series and even music, because the greedy industry is denying companies to provide the content the way consumers want and as fast as possible.
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Another lame reply.
A person does not have the right to take that which is not theirs to take simply becasue they do not like having to wait or because they are denied access to it.
Do you really not understand that?
They can petition and lobby for change, but they do not have a right to take that which is not theirs to take.


PeteEU said:
Let me ask you this.. you have access to a product because you are in the US, then why on earth in the 21st century cant I have access to the same product as long as I pay for it?
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Go where you can legally purchase it and you can have it.
 
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