Rotherham Council Leadership Resigns following Reoprt[W:37183]

Grant · Jun 25, 2015

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Gardener said:
How do you deal with violence against women -- underage girls in this case -- when addressing the misogynistic and supremacist cultural attitudes responsible for it elicits calls of racism such as that you are defending here via your apologetics in regards to Williamrea? That is the entire problem, here. You people create such a cacophony of interference that surrounds the issue that people who attempt to get to the heart of it are intimidated by the sheer mass of it all and so are disinclined by way of pursuing the matter.

That's it exactly.

Despite all the evidence and the clear demonstration that 'multiculturalism' isn't working they still cling to this foolish belief that somehow Islamic leaders will see the light and join in humming "Ode to Joy" through the peaceful streets of London, Stockholm, Brussels, Marseilles, Rotterdam, etc.

On the bright side they do seem to be lessening their criticism of Israel.

Infinite Chaos · Jun 25, 2015

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Gardener said:
people who attempt to get to the heart of it are intimidated by the sheer mass of it all and so are disinclined by way of pursuing the matter.

Sorry if I intimidate you, must be my "boorish 'tude" that scares you and makes you wet your pants.

Gardener said:
How do you deal with violence against women ~

Well, when you honestly and without bait or sneering choose to discuss the subject of violence against women, let us know - you'll notice a whole lot of people engaging in honest discussion with you. Till then, you will simply get what you give out.

William Rea · Jun 25, 2015

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Infinite Chaos said:
I think Will was being more general. Unfortunately there is a ring of truth that politics will always come into policy and discussion...

I am an equal opportunities atheist, delusion is delusion, I have no horse in the race to insanity that this delusion facilitates.

Gardener · Jun 25, 2015

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Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry if I intimidate you, must be my "boorish 'tude" that scares you and makes you wet your pants.

Well, when you honestly and without bait or sneering choose to discuss the subject of violence against women, let us know - you'll notice a whole lot of people engaging in honest discussion with you. Till then, you will simply get what you give out.

In other words, you have no answer, but do very much want the status quo of enabling to continue.

gunner · Jun 25, 2015

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William Rea said:
I am an equal opportunities atheist, delusion is delusion, I have no horse in the race to insanity that this delusion facilitates.

I would suggest you're making a grand job of deluding someone, if you continually maintain and profess neutrality on the subject.

William Rea · Jun 25, 2015

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gunner said:
I would suggest you're making a grand job of deluding someone, if you continually maintain and profess neutrality on the subject.

No. I am anything but neutral; I want criminals to be caught and dealt with but, I don't need the delusion.

gunner · Jun 25, 2015

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William Rea said:
No. I am anything but neutral; I want criminals to be caught and dealt with but, I don't need the delusion.

Again, the delusion is yours. Facts tell a completely different story that is challenging your bizarrely ingrained 'fallacy'; that it is for reasons of racism, that these events are seen by some as deeply disturbing. If you'd care to research, the very attitude and approach you're demonstrating here, is indicative and fully demonstrated as part of the very problem. A problem that clearly shows 'a total fear of accusations of racism' and a 'total fear of tackling issues within certain communities' made many of those in authority inoperable, impotent and complicit to some degree. Now you may be able to reconcile your conscience and 'moral worth' with such behaviour, I'd rather challenge and call it 'specifically' what it actually, amounts too. As has been clarified countless times, the specific nature of these acts are: family and friends, sharing within the community and other communities of Asians. Please point out another community that acts in the very same way? And lets posit the fact that at least 300 mainly ASIAN men are presently under-investigation (all from the same town). Knowing how these communities maintain very strong social stratification, I wonder how many of the wider ASIAN COMMUNITY were/are aware of the abuses?

Grant · Jun 25, 2015

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William Rea said:
No. I am anything but neutral; I want criminals to be caught and dealt with but, I don't need the delusion.

On the other hand you did say that "I suspect that the apparent indignation of many of these posts is more about right/left than any concern about paedophilia and why young, white, working class children appear to be easy prey for sex criminals". This strongly suggests you are interested more in the political left/right political possibilities than the victims themselves.

Do you find that it is the "Right Wing" who are more sympathetic to these young girls and the crimes committed against them while the "Left Wing" goes into denial, chooses to overlook the obvious for fear of 'racism' charges and continues to go along with the idea that 'we are the world, we are the children', despite these children being sexually exploited by a religion which fancies men can use women to their will?

Grant · Jun 25, 2015

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gunner said:
Again, the delusion is yours. Facts tell a completely different story that is challenging your bizarrely ingrained 'fallacy'; that it is for reasons of racism, that these events are seen by some as deeply disturbing. If you'd care to research, the very attitude and approach you're demonstrating here, is indicative and fully demonstrated as part of the very problem. A problem that clearly shows 'a total fear of accusations of racism' and a 'total fear of tackling issues within certain communities' made many of those in authority inoperable, impotent and complicit to some degree. Now you may be able to reconcile your conscience and 'moral worth' with such behaviour, I'd rather challenge and call it 'specifically' what it actually, amounts too. As has been clarified countless times, the specific nature of these acts are: family and friends, sharing within the community and other communities of Asians. Please point out another community that acts in the very same way? And lets posit the fact that at least 300 mainly ASIAN men are presently under-investigation (all from the same town). Knowing how these communities maintain very strong social stratification, I wonder how many of the wider ASIAN COMMUNITY were/are aware of the abuses?

This is an important read for anyone interested in the subject. http://www.amazon.ca/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/0743289692

Infinite Chaos · Jun 25, 2015

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Gardener said:
In other words, you have no answer, but do very much want the status quo of enabling to continue.

Deeply underwhelmed by your inability to discuss or offer anything of substance yet again.

Try again. Do you need help in addressing the subject??

Gardener · Jun 25, 2015

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Infinite Chaos said:
Deeply underwhelmed by your inability to discuss or offer anything of substance yet again.

Try again. Do you need help in addressing the subject??

The subject has to do with the Rotherham authorities allowing racist Muslim men to rape native British children as a product of their contempt for Britain and to show cultural dominance, a situation that was allowed to continue because of the prevailing orthodoxy in Britain equating any resistance towards this racist display with racism.

You are very much part of this problem rather than part of the solution.

Kal'Stang · Jun 25, 2015

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Keep the personal attacks and snipes to yourselves people. If you can't then you'll be booted at the very least.

Grant · Jun 25, 2015

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William Rea said:
'Muslim' is the new 'nigger'/'Paki'/'Coon'/'Spade' and you dislike the left we get it.

I suspect that the apparent indignation of many of these posts is more about right/left than any concern about paedophilia and why young, white, working class children appear to be easy prey for sex criminals.

Maybe this will bring you up to seed. Pakistani Paedophile rings in the UK – WHY & HOW | UK & Ireland database And despite all this, there still appears to be some reluctance to investigate. This is Liberalism gone mad!

gunner · Jun 26, 2015

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William Rea said:
No. I am anything but neutral; I want criminals to be caught and dealt with but, I don't need the delusion.

A reminder of the type of behaviour we are discussing:

"It was a brutal end to pretty Emma’s innocent childhood. By 15, she had been sexually assaulted by 54 more men: her body sold time and again by Tarik to his friends, relatives and acquaintances, in the backs of cars, in terrace houses and even in the undergrowth of the magnificent Victorian park at the centre of this once proud South Yorkshire town."

victim took Sue Reid round Rotherham and pointed out her attackers still swaggering the street | Daily Mail Online

Over-and-over the same narrative, "friends, relatives and acquaintances".

Infinite Chaos · Jun 26, 2015

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Gardener said:
The subject has to do with the Rotherham authorities allowing racist Muslim men to rape native British children

Any comment about the Pakistani gangs raping also raping large numbers of muslim women or do they not count? Were the Pakistani gangs raping Sikh and muslim women being racist there too?

Gardener said:
as a product of their contempt for Britain and to show cultural dominance, a situation that was allowed to continue because of the prevailing orthodoxy in Britain equating any resistance towards this racist display with racism.

You are very much part of this problem rather than part of the solution.

If you want to claim the rape gangs were about cultural dominance, racism and that that there is a prevailing orthodoxy across the UK etc then please provide proof of all. Otherwise I refer you to my previous posts.

Gardener said:
-- racist Muslim men --

Finally to refer to this, the Pakistani gangs are now known to have come from the Mirpur region so please clarify for the world whether you believe these are simply "muslim" rapist gangs or "Pakistani muslim" rape gangs or "predominantly Pakistani Mirpuri" rape gangs?

Grant · Jun 26, 2015

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gunner said:
A reminder of the type of behaviour we are discussing:

"It was a brutal end to pretty Emma’s innocent childhood. By 15, she had been sexually assaulted by 54 more men: her body sold time and again by Tarik to his friends, relatives and acquaintances, in the backs of cars, in terrace houses and even in the undergrowth of the magnificent Victorian park at the centre of this once proud South Yorkshire town."

victim took Sue Reid round Rotherham and pointed out her attackers still swaggering the street | Daily Mail Online

Over-and-over the same narrative, "friends, relatives and acquaintances".

Pakistani Paedophile rings in the UK – WHY & HOW | UK & Ireland database

Charlene Downes: Allegedly Pimped, Raped, Murdered by a Islamic Paedophile Gang then minced into burgers and fed to non-Muslims
An unpublicised police report produced after 14-year-old Charlene Downes vanished in 2003 found the girls, most if not all white, had been victims of the ‘honey pot’ premises. There were claims last night that the report was suppressed for reasons of political correctness.
Why was this kept secret? Are the white working classes not allowed to know the truth lest they behave badly? Are the police scared of the truth and dismissive of the victims because of their race and class?

Gardener · Jun 26, 2015

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Infinite Chaos said:
Any comment about the Pakistani gangs raping also raping large numbers of muslim women or do they not count? Were the Pakistani gangs raping Sikh and muslim women being racist there too?

There is a word often used to refer to those who fabricate a completely false narrative quite intentionally, but considering the obviousness of the fantasy you are attempting to foist upon us, I doubt whether it is necessary to use it here.

Whenever I am perplexed by the bizarre lengths some racist white Americans will go towards denying the racial motivations in whites victimizing blacks -- so much so that they will spin any sort of wild yarn they can think of even if it is based in pure fantasy -- well, let's just say I will remind myself of this and other threads that demonstrate beyond any shadow of a doubt that such extreme perversions of reality are not limited to those whose sympathies lie with the K.K.K.

Infinite Chaos · Jun 26, 2015

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Gardener said:
There is a word often used to refer to those who fabricate a completely false narrative quite intentionally, but considering the obviousness of the fantasy you are attempting to foist upon us, I doubt whether it is necessary to use it here.

Whenever I am perplexed by the bizarre lengths some racist white Americans will go towards denying the racial motivations in whites victimizing blacks -- so much so that they will spin any sort of wild yarn they can think of even if it is based in pure fantasy -- well, let's just say I will remind myself of this and other threads that demonstrate beyond any shadow of a doubt that such extreme perversions of reality are not limited to those whose sympathies lie with the K.K.K.

There is a word for the uninformed, you didn't know the rape gangs were predominantly Mirpuri Pakistanis because you clearly stated the rape gangs were "muslim rape gangs."

You clearly didn't know these gangs were also found to have previously raped Pakistani and Sikh girls or you were clearly uninterested in the brown victims of these rape gangs because they just arn't worthy or viewed the same as their white victims and then you ramble on about the K.K.K as if that justifies stupidly ignoring the facts that have been clear and present for quite some time now.

You clearly believe these muslim rape gangs are on some religious mission because that was your claim previously.

Like I said - when you are ready for honest discussion of rape and assault of ALL the victims - not just your precious white victims, come back.

Meantime, I'll ignore your taunts - you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers.

Grant · Jun 26, 2015

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Infinite Chaos said:
There is a word for the uninformed, you didn't know the rape gangs were predominantly Mirpuri Pakistanis because you clearly stated the rape gangs were "muslim rape gangs."

You clearly didn't know these gangs were also found to have previously raped Pakistani and Sikh girls or you were clearly uninterested in the brown victims of these rape gangs because they just arn't worthy or viewed the same as their white victims and then you ramble on about the K.K.K as if that justifies stupidly ignoring the facts that have been clear and present for quite some time now.

You clearly believe these muslim rape gangs are on some religious mission because that was your claim previously.

Like I said - when you are ready for honest discussion of rape and assault of ALL the victims - not just your precious white victims, come back.

Meantime, I'll ignore your taunts - you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers.

This seems to be a fairly comprehensive article on the sexual exploitation of young girls by 'Asian' men. I'd certainly be willing to learn more of the facts, such as a statistical breakdown of Sikh girls being raped versus White girls, or Muslim girls versus Sikh girls. It would also be interesting to learn more about these "Asian" men and how many Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc, are involved.

Gardener · Jun 26, 2015

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Infinite Chaos said:
There is a word for the uninformed, you didn't know the rape gangs were predominantly Mirpuri Pakistanis because you clearly stated the rape gangs were "muslim rape gangs."

You clearly didn't know these gangs were also found to have previously raped Pakistani and Sikh girls or you were clearly uninterested in the brown victims of these rape gangs because they just arn't worthy or viewed the same as their white victims and then you ramble on about the K.K.K as if that justifies stupidly ignoring the facts that have been clear and present for quite some time now.

You clearly believe these muslim rape gangs are on some religious mission because that was your claim previously.

Like I said - when you are ready for honest discussion of rape and assault of ALL the victims - not just your precious white victims, come back.

Meantime, I'll ignore your taunts - you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers.

The Stormfront accusation is as patently stupid as it is dishonest.

Just because, unlike you, I happen to reject the inherent racism in these heinous crimes against British children, that does not mean I support racism the other way around.

It just means that you are only capable of opposing racism when it isn't your own doing it.

If this were a case of, say, soccer hooligans selecting the children of your own community within Britain to rape and abuse, I have no doubt that you would be all over it. Because it is the people of the community with which you identify community selecting British children, however, you indulge in your endless sophistry pretending it is otherwise.

This is just identity politics at work at its most base and revoltingly hypocritical level.

Infinite Chaos · Jun 26, 2015

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Grant said:
This seems to be a fairly comprehensive article on the sexual exploitation of young girls by 'Asian' men. I'd certainly be willing to learn more of the facts, such as a statistical breakdown of Sikh girls being raped versus White girls, or Muslim girls versus Sikh girls. It would also be interesting to learn more about these "Asian" men and how many Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc, are involved.

You know, a year ago I posted a link to the grooming gangs report and showed you the sections which explained that muslim girls had been the first targets of these gangs. You're still asking the same questions but it seems that posting links, quotes and evidence haven't made the slightest iota of difference to your ability to understand what the report stated.

Gardener said:
The Stormfront accusation is as patently stupid as it is dishonest.

No, it's very well aimed because you did the same and made the exact same stupid claims in the same linked thread. You were repeatedly debunked and your interest in only white victims was pointed out then too. You are only interested in the white victims, you would fit in well on Stormfront.

Here you were, lying through your teeth a year ago on the same subject

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/160626-racist-paedophile-ring-w-348-a-26.html#post1063717518

A page or two later, Manc Skipper posted the head of the CPS Nazir Afzal's comments but that didn't sink through your skull so a page later when the lying continued I posted this

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/160626-racist-paedophile-ring-w-348-a-29.html#post1063719184

But here we are a year later and you are still peddling the same Stormfront lies.

Gardener said:
Just because, unlike you, I happen to reject the inherent racism in these heinous crimes against British children, that does not mean I support racism the other way around.

It just means that you are only capable of opposing racism when it isn't your own doing it.

You are a racist, plain and simple. Just own it.

Gardener said:
If this were a case of, say, soccer hooligans selecting the children of your own community within Britain to rape and abuse, I have no doubt that you would be all over it. Because it is the people of the community with which you identify community selecting British children, however, you indulge in your endless sophistry pretending it is otherwise.

This is just identity politics at work at its most base and revoltingly hypocritical level.

Blah blah blah.

Gardener · Jun 26, 2015

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Infinite Chaos said:
You know, a year ago I posted a link to the grooming gangs report and showed you the sections which explained that muslim girls had been the first targets of these gangs. You're still asking the same questions but it seems that posting links, quotes and evidence haven't made the slightest iota of difference to your ability to understand what the report stated.

No, it's very well aimed because you did the same and made the exact same stupid claims in the same linked thread. You were repeatedly debunked and your interest in only white victims was pointed out then too. You are only interested in the white victims, you would fit in well on Stormfront.

Here you were, lying through your teeth a year ago on the same subject

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/160626-racist-paedophile-ring-w-348-a-26.html#post1063717518

A page or two later, Manc Skipper posted the head of the CPS Nazir Afzal's comments but that didn't sink through your skull so a page later when the lying continued I posted this

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/160626-racist-paedophile-ring-w-348-a-29.html#post1063719184

But here we are a year later and you are still peddling the same Stormfront lies.

You are a racist, plain and simple. Just own it.

Blah blah blah.

I'm glad you posted that link.

Everybody could see that one of the women you had been bullying due to your ingrained misogyny thanked me for my efforts in confronting you.

Infinite Chaos · Jun 26, 2015

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Gardener said:
I'm glad you posted that link.

Everybody could see that one of the women you had been bullying due to your ingrained misogyny thanked me for my efforts in confronting you.

LOL, that the best you could come up with? You ignored the links, failed to address brown victims (yet again) and failed to understand how myopic your view on this matter is.

Quelle surprise.

Grant · Jun 26, 2015

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Infinite Chaos said:
You know, a year ago I posted a link to the grooming gangs report and showed you the sections which explained that muslim girls had been the first targets of these gangs. You're still asking the same questions but it seems that posting links, quotes and evidence haven't made the slightest iota of difference to your ability to understand what the report stated.

A year ago, huh? Forgive me if I don't recall that post.

Have they made any progress since then? Pakistani Paedophile rings in the UK – WHY & HOW | UK & Ireland database

Of course charges of "racism", btw, is the lowest form of debate, and you should know that.

Infinite Chaos · Jun 26, 2015

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Grant said:
A year ago, huh? Forgive me if I don't recall that post.

Check the links, follow the thread. We discussed this in 2014

Grant said:
-- Of course charges of "racism", btw, is the lowest form of debate, and you should know that.

OK, explain away his single interest in white victims and total disinterest in the brown ones.

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