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Denmark tries a soft-handed approach to returned Islamist fighters[W:67]

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In Denmark, not one returned fighter has been locked up. Instead, taking the view that discrimination at home is as criminal as Islamic State recruiting, officials here are providing free psychological counseling while finding returnees jobs and spots in schools and universities. Officials credit a new effort to reach out to a radical mosque with stanching the flow of recruits.

Some progressives say Aarhus should become a model for other communities in the United States and Europe that are trying to cope with the question of what to do when the jihad generation comes back to town.
For better or worse, this city’s answer has left the likes of Talha wandering freely on the streets. The son of moderate Muslim immigrants from the Middle East, he became radicalized and fought with an Islamist brigade in Syria for nine months before returning home last October. Back on Danish soil, he still dreams of one day living in a Middle Eastern caliphate. He rejects the Islamic State’s beheading of foreign hostages but defends its summary executions of Iraqi and Syrian soldiers.


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So what do you think? Do you think this is an acceptable approach? Would you like to see this approach back in the states?
I for one say no. I do believe that if someone goes off to fight for an organization like ISIS or any other extremist group, and they return they should face some sort of jail sentence, but I also believe they should be given psychological counseling..
 
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Unless those fighters have committed war crimes, I fully agree. Some sort of punishment needs to be implemented but not necessarily years in prison.
 
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Something's rotten in Denmark. Seriously, WTF are they thinking?? Do they have a death wish or what? Not only should these people not be allowed to ever come back, they should be stripped or their citizenship and left to rot in their dream Middle Eastern ****hole.
 
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Something's rotten in Denmark. Seriously, WTF are they thinking?? Do they have a death wish or what? Not only should these people not be allowed to ever come back, they should be stripped or their citizenship and left to rot in their dream Middle Eastern ****hole.

Exactly. The hubris of this. Letting a known terrorist supporter come back to your country and walk around free so they can have every opportunity to do or collect whatever they want? What the hell is this? That's insane.

This isn't about amnesty. It's about the fact that we can never be certain again why they're here. They have basically declared open hostility towards their home country and joined an organization that wants to attack or kill people of their home country. That is outright treason.

Treason is typically something that carries rather extreme sentences, but Denmark thinks they should just come back and go back to whatever they were doing? That is just nuts.

Letting someone who joined ISIS back into the country is a danger to everyone.
 
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If the Danes want to safeguard their people and discourage their Muslim population from being radicalized then the only sound approach is to stop deploying their troops overseas for Western adventurism- any other way is doomed to failure.
 
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So what do you think? Do you think this is an acceptable approach? Would you like to see this approach back in the states?
I for one say no. I do believe that if someone goes off to fight for an organization like ISIS or any other extremist group, and they return they should face some sort of jail sentence, but I also believe they should be given psychological counseling.. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I'm fine with what Hemingway did in Spain.
 
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Something's rotten in Denmark. Seriously, WTF are they thinking?? Do they have a death wish or what? Not only should these people not be allowed to ever come back, they should be stripped or their citizenship and left to rot in their dream Middle Eastern ****hole.

I have to agree.

They have decided to leave relative paradise and side with a murderous and brutal regime that is an enemy of our nations and humanity.

They renounce their citizenship when they take up arms with such a group as ISIS.
 
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I have heard that ISIS sold a lot of these people on an idea that turner out to be nothing like what they were sold on, once they were there and involved. And once there, leaving was not exactly easy. Like, the group started out one way, then got taken over by another group.


Kinda like the Tea Party, or OWS, here.
 
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Read more @: Denmark tries a soft-handed approach to returned Islamist fighters

So what do you think? Do you think this is an acceptable approach? Would you like to see this approach back in the states?
I for one say no. I do believe that if someone goes off to fight for an organization like ISIS or any other extremist group, and they return they should face some sort of jail sentence, but I also believe they should be given psychological counseling.. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Aarhus is a Social Democrat bastion in Danish politics and this is what you get with those people. They are single handed responsible for the immigration problems in Denmark and racist movement with the Peoples Party in the middle. Had they not botched the 1960s immigration wave from Turkey, then we would not be in the situation we are today. They also sold us out to the Nazi´s back in the day but that is a whole other story. Yes I dislike the party.

As for the situation it self... it is alternative that is for sure and I do understand it some what. I am all for thinking outside the box to solve problems as "traditional solutions" often dont work, and it looks for now at least, that it is working. Our natural reaction to these people is always arrest and prison, but that often makes the problem worse, especially if it is an overreaction and not based in law. Nothing makes people come together as injustice.

And now the tricky part. The Danish terror law is very broad, but in the case of people going to Syria to fight Assad you get into a problem. There is no doubt that under Danish terror law, this guy could be arrested and charged, BUT that would mean that Denmark would have to legitimize the Assad regime. On top of that, trying to put this guy or similar in jail could have a backlash in the community they came from as they are seen as heroes fighting Assad.

Now had he or others gone to fight the Iraqi government then that would be a whole other ball of fish or whatever the saying is.. but as far as I understand it, there are no such cases.. yet.

But that leads to another problem... those Danes that go to fight with the Kurds or Assad or other non fanatical factions in the region.. do we treat them as terrorists as well, because the terror law does cover them as well?

So I understand somewhat the political aspects of not doing so, and so far it looks like it is working. Oh and this guy is most likely either Lebanese or Turkish and could actually be a Kurd as a large portion of the Turks in Denmark are Kurds.
 
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--Oh and this guy is most likely either Lebanese or Turkish and could actually be a Kurd as a large portion of the Turks in Denmark are Kurds.

He worked in a refugee camp for a few weeks before getting attached to an independent battalion associated with Ahrar al-Sham, a group with alleged ties to al-Qaeda. During the months when he manned heavy-artillery batteries near Aleppo, he said, his outfit also maintained harmonious ties with the Islamic State.

“You cannot believe everything you hear about the Islamic State,” Talha said. “There may be bad things, but also good things.”

His links in Syria with Al Qaeda and his activity suggest otherwise
 
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His links in Syria with Al Qaeda and his activity suggest otherwise

Yes but if you start arresting people for fighting in Syria then you legitimize the Assad regime, because they are not conducting "terror against persons" but actively trying to undermine the Assad regime.. which is illegal, but it also means Denmark (and the west) have to admit that the Assad regime is the legit government of Syria. It is a catch 22 situation.
 
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Yes but if you start arresting people for fighting in Syria then you legitimize the Assad regime, because they are not conducting "terror against persons" but actively trying to undermine the Assad regime.. which is illegal, but it also means Denmark (and the west) have to admit that the Assad regime is the legit government of Syria. It is a catch 22 situation.

So you should offer free therapy and place them at key University positions instead?! What kind of chicken BS rationalizing is this?

"They are treated as heroes in their communities, so we do not dare arrest them" :roll:

Quit being apologetic and start arresting ISIS terrorists as well as their recruiters like everyone else!
 
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So you should offer free therapy and place them at key University positions instead?! What kind of chicken BS rationalizing is this?

What on earth are you talking about? You want them to pay for therapy? As for placing them in "key university positions".. what? Must have missed that in the article. All it says is jobs in schools and universities.. which most likely means janitorial staff or similar. Do you really think that these people have the educational standard to become professors? LOL!

"They are treated as heroes in their communities, so we do not dare arrest them" :roll:

Yes and? People who fight dictators usually are seen as heroes.. Bet you have a few Kosovo Albanians who are mass murders but are seen as heroes..

Quit being apologetic and start arresting ISIS terrorists as well as their recruiters like everyone else!

They are not ISIS terrorists.. stop making **** up. They are at best Al Q terrorists according to the article, but as I have stated, if you start arresting them for fighting Assad, then you basically legitimize the Assad regime... is that what you want?

And I am not being apologetic one bit for these fanatics, but you have to be realistic. Locking them up wont change anything and it will only drive more to agree with them and join them. Why? Because they went to fight Assad, which like it or not, most people wanted them to do that after all.. so it would be highly hypocritical to start having them thrown in jail for things we actually wanted them to do no? And in no way can you be selective. If we start locking these guys up, then we have to lock up the people who went to fight ISIS as well or Assad and did not join radical groups.. the law is equal to everyone and is not selective right?

This aint black and white in any way and most governments know this. The IS threat could be over fast, but that requires the west make a deal with Assad, and that aint happening any time soon, so you really expect that the western governments will start throwing people in jail because they went to Syria to fight Assad and happened to join a group that is supposedly linked to Al Q?

The only time that any government will actually throw the book at someone, is if they have actual proof that they were involved with IS and only in Iraq I bet. As I said, this is so far from black and white as it can get.

Finally, the ONLY way we can realistically deal with this is to impose a universal travel ban to Syria and Iraq and make it a criminal act. That means anyone going, for what ever side and for what ever reason, risk arrest when they come back.
 
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What on earth are you talking about? You want them to pay for therapy? As for placing them in "key university positions".. what? Must have missed that in the article. All it says is jobs in schools and universities.. which most likely means janitorial staff or similar. Do you really think that these people have the educational standard to become professors? LOL!

Well it all depends.

If you are placed on an academic high ranking university then they would be Professors to you for instance.

Yes and? People who fight dictators usually are seen as heroes.. Bet you have a few Kosovo Albanians who are mass murders but are seen as heroes..

There are plenty that massively murdered Serbian paramilitaries, the Scorpions, Arkan's Tigers, etc. They are treated as heroes. But people like you seems to accommodate, admire, and kiss some ISIS civilian beheading terrorist ass with vigorous passion it seems?

They are not ISIS terrorists.. stop making **** up. They are at best Al Q terrorists according to the article, but as I have stated, if you start arresting them for fighting Assad, then you basically legitimize the Assad regime... is that what you want?

ISIS = Iraq and Syria Islamic State. ISIS is fighting in territories between Syria and Iraq. Stop pretending that you did not know this. After all you need terrorists to support views that you have.

And I am not being apologetic one bit for these fanatics, but you have to be realistic. Locking them up wont change anything and it will only drive more to agree with them and join them.

Apologies of losers, wussies, uncooperative, gutless, ball-less minorities in Denmark such as yourself I am sure.

Why? Because they went to fight Assad, which like it or not, most people wanted them to do that after all.. so it would be highly hypocritical to start having them thrown in jail for things we actually wanted them to do no?

We wanted to fight Assad with a more decent army. Not a beheading terroristic one!

So thanks for the repeated bull crap but nobody is buying it. This is just silly stupid nonsense that people come up with in order to cover their terrorist ass licking measures.

And in no way can you be selective. If we start locking these guys up, then we have to lock up the people who went to fight ISIS as well or Assad and did not join radical groups.. the law is equal to everyone and is not selective right?

As it can be seen from here, it is people that are losers, wussies, uncooperative, gutless, ball-less minorities in Denmark such as yourself that is holding being non-selective.

This aint black and white in any way and most governments know this. The IS threat could be over fast, but that requires the west make a deal with Assad, and that aint happening any time soon, so you really expect that the western governments will start throwing people in jail because they went to Syria to fight Assad and happened to join a group that is supposedly linked to Al Q?

Sure, it is always the West's fault that you do not have the balls to arrest freaking terrorists!

The only time that any government will actually throw the book at someone, is if they have actual proof that they were involved with IS and only in Iraq I bet. As I said, this is so far from black and white as it can get.

They are freaking members of ISIS! What ****ing other proof do you need?! A pre and post beheading action with an unmasked smile in their freaking face?!

Finally, the ONLY way we can realistically deal with this is to impose a universal travel ban to Syria and Iraq and make it a criminal act. That means anyone going, for what ever side and for what ever reason, risk arrest when they come back.

You mean do that in the meantime, while you are kissing some terrorist ass for the ones that killed and made it safe back home? Sure, why not kiss them in cheeks and wish them farewells with tears in your eyes for Danish terrorist heroism that take even such criminal acts of "flight ban" into consideration before they join ISIS?!
 
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Well it all depends.

If you are placed on an academic high ranking university then they would be Professors to you for instance.

You cant be "placed" as a high ranking academic lol. You need qualifications in Denmark to be able to teach at any level. Dont you need that in Albania?

There are plenty that massively murdered Serbian paramilitaries, the Scorpions, Arkan's Tigers, etc. They are treated as heroes. But people like you seems to accommodate, admire, and kiss some ISIS civilian beheading terrorist ass with vigorous passion it seems?

Funny how you totally ignore the war criminals among the KLA... biased a bit? As for accommodating and admiring ISIS ..utter bull**** and nothing but a vain attempt at a personal attack to deflect attention. Again, this has nothing to do with ISIS, but with AL Q linked groups in Syria.

ISIS = Iraq and Syria Islamic State. ISIS is fighting in territories between Syria and Iraq. Stop pretending that you did not know this. After all you need terrorists to support views that you have.

Again, read the ****ing article. ISIS is barely mentioned and the guy in question was part of another group. Yes he had contact with people from ISIS but so do other rebel groups, even the moderate ones.

We wanted to fight Assad with a more decent army. Not a beheading terroristic one!

So thanks for the repeated bull crap but nobody is buying it. This is just silly stupid nonsense that people come up with in order to cover their terrorist ass licking measures.

Eh what on earth are you talking about? There is a rebellion going on in Syria against Assad. This rebellion has moderate and radical aspects and is no way a "decent army" but a bunch of civilians taking up arms against Assad. It is not nonsense. Assad has claimed from the start that the rebels are terrorists, and if we start arresting people for fighting Assad then we not only vindicate Assad's claims but legitimize his rule.

Had this guy done his fighting in Iraq, then we have a whole other discussion... after all we with the Iraqi government..

Sure, it is always the West's fault that you do not have the balls to arrest freaking terrorists!

What on earth are you talking about? Like it or not, our western societies are driven by law and order. You can not just arrest people based on suspicion... or is that how you do it in Albania? Would explain a lot.

They are freaking members of ISIS! What ****ing other proof do you need?! A pre and post beheading action with an unmasked smile in their freaking face?!

Again, where does it say they are ISIS? You are making up **** as usual.

You mean do that in the meantime, while you are kissing some terrorist ass for the ones that killed and made it safe back home? Sure, why not kiss them in cheeks and wish them farewells with tears in your eyes for Danish terrorist heroism that take even such criminal acts of "flight ban" into consideration before they join ISIS?!

No one is kissing any terrorist ass. What terror have they committed and can you prove it? Just because they are religiously radical does not make them terrorists.. or should we just lock up all Orthodox Christians, Orthodox Jews and Muslims just for the hell of it? What about wacked out Serbian and Albanian nationalists? Or communists? How about all Russians and Americans? Or redheads because they tend to be hotheads? How about left handers?

Have you ever heard of law and order?
 
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Dimwits in Denmark.
 
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Dimwits in Denmark.

Yea yea, funny coming from a country that has harbored mass murderers and terrorists for over 70 years... and even paid them social security I hear!
 
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You cant be "placed" as a high ranking academic lol. You need qualifications in Denmark to be able to teach at any level. Dont you need that in Albania?

Was just stating that for people like you to be foolish enough to believe that creating a safe heaven for terrorist is a good idea, the guys that are coming back should be professors compared to your idiotic beliefs. That is all.

Funny how you totally ignore the war criminals among the KLA... biased a bit? As for accommodating and admiring ISIS ..utter bull**** and nothing but a vain attempt at a personal attack to deflect attention. Again, this has nothing to do with ISIS, but with AL Q linked groups in Syria.

Terrorists all the same. Stupid leaders in Denmark are harboring terrorism and are rewarding them for their barbaric and medieval acts in ISIS. You guys are turning Denmark into a terrorist safe heaven!

Go ahead kill all you want in ISIS cause on your way back you will get therapy in Denmark for the struggles you went through while beheading infidels and kaffirs. The premise generously provided by kaffirs themselves, silly idiots! But thanks!

Again, read the ****ing article. ISIS is barely mentioned and the guy in question was part of another group. Yes he had contact with people from ISIS but so do other rebel groups, even the moderate ones.

An ISIS sub-branch then. So these are angelic then right? Why? Cause they are from Denmark?

Eh what on earth are you talking about? There is a rebellion going on in Syria against Assad. This rebellion has moderate and radical aspects and is no way a "decent army" but a bunch of civilians taking up arms against Assad. It is not nonsense. Assad has claimed from the start that the rebels are terrorists, and if we start arresting people for fighting Assad then we not only vindicate Assad's claims but legitimize his rule.

Civilians taking arms against Assad is fine! But we have seen how uncivil they were over there, have we not?

What on earth are you talking about? Like it or not, our western societies are driven by law and order. You can not just arrest people based on suspicion... or is that how you do it in Albania? Would explain a lot.

Again, where does it say they are ISIS? You are making up **** as usual.

No one is kissing any terrorist ass. What terror have they committed and can you prove it? Just because they are religiously radical does not make them terrorists.. or should we just lock up all Orthodox Christians, Orthodox Jews and Muslims just for the hell of it? What about wacked out Serbian and Albanian nationalists? Or communists? How about all Russians and Americans? Or redheads because they tend to be hotheads? How about left handers?

Trivializing the matter that you are harboring ISIS terrorists will not help.
 
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Was just stating that for people like you to be foolish enough to believe that creating a safe heaven for terrorist is a good idea, the guys that are coming back should be professors compared to your idiotic beliefs. That is all.

No what is idiotic is to think that not only are they being made professors... but that it is a safe haven for terrorists.

An ISIS sub-branch then. So these are angelic then right? Why? Cause they are from Denmark?

So now you are claiming an ISIS sub-branch LOL HAHAH. How about you READ the article first then?

Trivializing the matter that you are harboring ISIS terrorists will not help.

In no way am I trivializing the matter and we do not harbor ISIS terrorists. Hell there are probably more ISIS terrorists in Albania than most European countries.
 
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Yes but if you start arresting people for fighting in Syria then you legitimize the Assad regime <snip>
Denmark does legally and diplomatically recognize the Assad government.
You can verify by giving the embassy in Damascus a call, if you want.


The Danish Embassy in Syria.

Danmarks Ambassade, Damaskus
No.6., Fatmeh Idriss Lane, Al-Ghazzawi St.,
Western Villas, Mezze
P.O.Box 2244, Damascus
Syria
Pho.: +963 (0)11 61909000
Fax: +963 (0)11 61909033
E-mail: damamb@um.dk
Webpage: http://syrien.um.dk/


On the other hand, Denmark doesn't recognize the SNC opposition government.
Syriens oprørere vil anerkendes - Globalt | www.b.dk (Newspaper article in Danish)
 
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Yes but if you start arresting people for fighting in Syria --

Depends what you mean by "fighting."

However, I was replying to your comment he could be a Kurd - there are reports of of Kurdish Al Qaeda battalion but most Kurds are fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS.
 
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No what is idiotic is to think that not only are they being made professors... but that it is a safe haven for terrorists.

So why does Denmark engages in this sort of idiotic creation of safe heaven for terrorists coming back from ISIS then?

So now you are claiming an ISIS sub-branch LOL HAHAH. How about you READ the article first then?

In no way am I trivializing the matter and we do not harbor ISIS terrorists. Hell there are probably more ISIS terrorists in Albania than most European countries.

To think that ISIS terrorists would reach that high up in Europe because of idiotic leaders in Denmark! Further not only is a safe heaven made for ISIS terrorists, but beyond all stupidity, you have posts here defending the notion!! :2sick1:
 
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So what do you think? Do you think this is an acceptable approach? Would you like to see this approach back in the states?
I for one say no. I do believe that if someone goes off to fight for an organization like ISIS or any other extremist group, and they return they should face some sort of jail sentence, but I also believe they should be given psychological counseling.. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I think this is typical of the loony left approach to evil. Just be nice to them and they will change.
 
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So why does Denmark engages in this sort of idiotic creation of safe heaven for terrorists coming back from ISIS then?



To think that ISIS terrorists would reach that high up in Europe because of idiotic leaders in Denmark! Further not only is a safe heaven made for ISIS terrorists, but beyond all stupidity, you have posts here defending the notion!! :2sick1:

I think the reason Denmark is doing this is the old adage about if you are nice to the crocodile, maybe he will eat you last. Shameful.
 
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I once thought European countries were the only places muslims could live in peace except for some muslim dominated ones.

There is still confusion in Europe with respect to the Islam and muslims. There are even some attacks on The Islam; for example In Germany, there have since 2012 been 81 attacks on mosques, the report of ECRI (European Commission against Racism and Intolerance) published in 25 Feb. 2014 mentions many discrimations against muslims and other minorities at governmental and public level in Germany. Here is sum of it:

- There is a lack of support for victims of racist acts or racial discrimination on the part of government bodies, for example through racial profiling.

-Since the reunification the number of murders and the level of violence motivated by racism and homo/transphobia are high in Germany.

-The high rate of “under-reporting” of offences involving racism and homo/transphobia reflects a lack of confidence on the part of vulnerable groups in the effectiveness of criminal proceedings brought by the police and the prosecution services.

-The notion of racism is often interpreted too narrowly in Germany and is linked to organised groups.

-The Action Plan against Racism and Intolerance has not been updated since 2008.

-The National Action Plan on Integration also does not include a section on the fight against racism and intolerance.

-The strategic and operational objectives set out in the National Action Plan on Integration are not accompanied by indicators and target values, although such indicators are published along with information on the trends they show.

-The enrolment rate of children of migrant background in pre-school facilities, the provision of support to them throughout their educational path and the number of them attending Gymnasium (the type of secondary education preparing pupils for university) are still insufficient. Teachers are three times more likely to recommend Gymnasium, if the child is from a higher socio-economic status, which is detrimental for children of migrant background.

-There is considerable discrimination towards LGBT persons, which contributes to the tendency for LGBT persons to conceal their sexual orientation. Particularly in schools, there is a high level of homo/transphobia.

-At federal level and in several Länder, there is no strategy for raising awareness of these issues among the majority population, increasing tolerance towards LGBT persons and countering discrimination.


Denmark tries to solve it in peace, the method could be arguable, but worth trying.

she does not want to follow Germany as in report.
 
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