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Mosque set on fire in Germany, Islamophobia and racism?

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A Mosque in the German town of Bad Salzuflen was set on fire on Saturday, raising again concerns about a rise in Islamophobia and racism.

The mosque was found on the entrance floor of a building, out of which the fire department has reportedly saved nine people. Three of the rescued were children, the sources said.
Suspected arson attacks on mosques attended by Turks in Germany raises concerns about a rise in Islamophobia and racism. In Germany alone 81 attacks targeting mosques have been carried out since 2012.
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Mosque set on fire in Germany, raising concerns about Islamophobia | Europe | Daily Sabah

I hope they soon can learn how to live with others in tune. Also I hope they someday go after those people who once(maybe still) supported by the German intelligence agency.
 
süt said:
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Mosque set on fire in Germany, raising concerns about Islamophobia | Europe | Daily Sabah

I hope they soon can learn how to live with others in tune. Also I hope they someday go after those people who once(maybe still) supported by the German intelligence agency.
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You have a picture of Ataturk and yet you are some sort of islamist?

I am a little fed up of people whining about islamphobia whilst Turksih politicians tell Turks living abroad that Minarets are Bayonets. We have had enough of Muslims thinking they are allowed to riot and attack whoever they like, especially jews. Why not encorage Muslims in Europe to start fitting in and behavinga ccording to our rules not try and impose your on us.

You don;t even allow Churches to be built in Turkey let alone synagogues
 
ataturk said:
You have a picture of Ataturk and yet you are some sort of islamist?

I am a little fed up of people whining about islamphobia whilst Turksih politicians tell Turks living abroad that Minarets are Bayonets. We have had enough of Muslims thinking they are allowed to riot and attack whoever they like, especially jews. Why not encorage Muslims in Europe to start fitting in and behavinga ccording to our rules not try and impose your on us.

You don;t even allow Churches to be built in Turkey let alone synagogues
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The Islam and people are two different stories; If you see them as one, then you start to mislead yourself.

If people like me let those people use The Islam as their cover for their dirty works, then You could be right about complaining of their actions and results on everybody like jews or christians and muslims.

Atatürk had done many things to stop those people use the Islam for their own agenda, today those people call Atatürk and people who follow Atatürk and who are also muslims as Kuffar. Now you accuse me of being one of those people. It seems people like me will never have the chance to ...

Churches and other holly buildings should not be the subject in such conflicts.
 
süt said:
The Islam and people are two different stories; If you see them as one, then you start to mislead yourself.

If people like me let those people use The Islam as their cover for their dirty works, then You could be right about complaining of their actions and results on everybody like jews or christians and muslims.

Atatürk had done many things to stop those people use the Islam for their own agenda, today those people call Atatürk and people who follow Atatürk and who are also muslims as Kuffar. Now you accuse me of being one of those people. It seems people like me will never have the chance to ...

Churches and other holly buildings should not be the subject in such conflicts.
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Agree with you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/opinion/no-model-for-muslim-democracy.html?_r=0
 
RDS said:
Agree with you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/opinion/no-model-for-muslim-democracy.html?_r=0
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That is the popular question in recent years; When people start to dig in to get an answer; they all start to mention about the social life and education and development in those muslim dominated countries; of course it cannot be an excuse for anything but still it is an analyze.

What bothers me most is that The same approach is still seen in Europe after all those experiences in the past and today in muslim countries; How could one of the most developed coutries still try to be one of those?

There is no lack of education or development in social life, then what is the ''excuse'' to ''relieve'' us a little bit.
 
süt said:
That is the popular question in recent years; When people start to dig in to get an answer; they all start to mention about the social life and education and development in those muslim dominated countries; of course it cannot be an excuse for anything but still it is an analyze.

What bothers me most is that The same approach is still seen in Europe after all those experiences in the past and today in muslim countries; How could one of the most developed coutries still try to be one of those?

There is no lack of education or development in social life, then what is the ''excuse'' to ''relieve'' us a little bit.
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BTW put a stop to that Turkey transit for terrorists.
 
süt said:
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I hope they soon can learn how to live with others in tune. Also I hope they someday go after those people who once(maybe still) supported by the German intelligence agency.
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81 attacks on mosques? How many were there on Jewish assets during the period? I think it is wrong to center thought on Islamophobia. That is only a symptom of xenophobia that targets once tjis then that minority. Pointing to these independently of one another tends to obfuscate the issue.
 
joG said:
81 attacks on mosques? How many were there on Jewish assets during the period? I think it is wrong to center thought on Islamophobia. That is only a symptom of xenophobia that targets once tjis then that minority. Pointing to these independently of one another tends to obfuscate the issue.
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When you claim something, at least you should provide some info about that claim; guessing is not working in such crimes.
 
süt said:
When you claim something, at least you should provide some info about that claim; guessing is not working in such crimes.
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I always work under the assumption that my counterpart is interested enough to pop three search terms into Google. When they come back and ask for a link, I have found they are usually not really interested in reality but in a story they want for some reason to tell and data is not the issue. Had you, for instance, come back and said, but this statistic or that one say no, you would have shown you were serious. Then we could have discussed it.
 
DDD said:
So, are the arsonists arrested?
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When they are caught they are. Often nobody is identified, however.

In this case there are yet no suspects as is also the case in Kreuzberg. In Cologne a man was arrested and was put in an asylum.
 
joG said:
When they are caught they are. Often nobody is identified, however.

In this case there are yet no suspects as is also the case in Kreuzberg. In Cologne a man was arrested and was put in an asylum.
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Hmmm, perhaps adding some surveilance cameras could aid with that?
 
RDS said:
Read this one man. You can scroll till the cows come home.

List of Islamic Terror Attacks on Christians
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I made my position about the holly buildings, explained why it happens in muslim dominated coutnries with a note those reasons cannot be excuses. After that explanation , i said (In Germany) There is no lack of education or development in social life, then what is the ''excuse'' to ''relieve'' us a little bit. I wonder why Germany wants to be seen like those countries and people.


Since 2012 there has been 81 attacks on Mosques, and still no serious action taken; at this point We have to identify the position of Germany and German citizens.


Btw, This is not a contest.
 
süt said:
I made my position about the holly buildings, explained why it happens in muslim dominated coutnries with a note those reasons cannot be excuses. After that explanation , i said (In Germany) There is no lack of education or development in social life, then what is the ''excuse'' to ''relieve'' us a little bit. I wonder why Germany wants to be seen like those countries and people.


Since 2012 there has been 81 attacks on Mosques, and still no serious action taken; at this point We have to identify the position of Germany and German citizens.


Btw, This is not a contest.
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Why confine to Germany. Get the big picture man.
 
DDD said:
Hmmm, perhaps adding some surveilance cameras could aid with that?
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That is being done increasingly. But the population does not like it and there is a lot of popular resistance as well as populist political and legal. So the government is using the well tried method of slow and steady adaption that goes unnoticed but takes time.
 
süt said:
The Islam and people are two different stories; If you see them as one, then you start to mislead yourself.

If people like me let those people use The Islam as their cover for their dirty works, then You could be right about complaining of their actions and results on everybody like jews or christians and muslims.

Atatürk had done many things to stop those people use the Islam for their own agenda, today those people call Atatürk and people who follow Atatürk and who are also muslims as Kuffar. Now you accuse me of being one of those people. It seems people like me will never have the chance to ...

Churches and other holly buildings should not be the subject in such conflicts.
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Lots of things that shouldn't happen continue to happen all over this planet.
 
Hopefully, those responsible for setting the fire will be apprehended and brought to justice for their crime.
 
shrubnose said:
Lots of things that shouldn't happen continue to happen all over this planet.
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We can explain most of them intellectually; however, I cannot find any explanation for the case in Germany.

I cannot decide it is systematic and government-supported actions or social issue, or characteristic behaviour of ''some'' Germans etc.
 
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süt said:
We can explain most of them intellectually; however, I cannot find any explanation for the case in Germany.

I cannot decide it is systematic and government-supported actions or social issue,
or characteristic behaviour of Germans etc.
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What do you mean when you say "characteristic behavior of Germans, etc"? How is that not a bigoted, racist comment?

Fill us in.
 
shrubnose said:
What do you mean when you say "characteristic behavior of some Germans, etc"? How is that not a bigoted, racist comment?

Fill us in.
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..fixed, but still cannot put a limit on that ''some''.
 
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So Sut do you condemn the corrupt Islamist Erdogan government>?
 
ataturk said:
So Sut do you condemn the corrupt Islamist Erdogan government>?
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I do not understand, Do you think The attacks to 81 Mosques and muslims in Germany are related to Erdoğan and the Turkish government?
 
Just generally Sut. Are yopu against your Islamist government. I have many Turkish friends and they despise Erdogan for so many reasons. Just yes or no will do.
 
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