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Protest or Terrorism ?

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After the call of Pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) leader Selahattin Demirtaş for solidarity with Ayn Al-Arab, Ethnic Kurds filled up streets for protest or terrorizing, you decide:

Interior minister Mr Ala presents cost of unrest :

- Death toll in Turkey climbs to 37,

- 1,000 people were being held in custody,

- 351 people have been wounded in total,

- 1,024 have been taken under custody and 58 have been arrested,

- More than 1,100 buildings, including 212 school buildings, 67 police department buildings, 25 district governor offices, 29 political party buildings, blood donation centers belonging to the Turkish Red Crescent Society (Kızılay), 780 municipality buildings and more than 1,100 municipality vehicles, ambulances and police vehicles have been .. burnt,

- Stores, cars in streets that belong to civillians have been burnt and looted,

- National flag and statue of Atatürk who is founder of Turkey was burnt many times,


A primary school:

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Turkish Red Crescent Society (Kızılay) with two minivans of TRCS burning:

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burning an Image of Ataturk is absurd especially as the current Erdogan government is anti Ataturk and repulsively Islamist and is tacitly backing Isis. Turkey should be the beacon of rationality and carry Ataturk's legacy throughout the region fighting ignorance and superstition. Under the Corrupt islamist rule of Erdogan Turkey is becoming a backwards Islamist nightmare.
 
Hello Sut,

I am trying to clarify.

Kurds lead by Selahattin Demirtaş join with Ayn Al-Arab Arabs? These are minorities in Turkiye then, right?

What are they after with these vandal acts? Is not Erdogan the one they were looking for? They have him, so why are they now upset?

DDD
 
ataturk said:
burning an Image of Ataturk is absurd especially as the current Erdogan government is anti Ataturk and repulsively Islamist and is tacitly backing Isis. Turkey should be the beacon of rationality and carry Ataturk's legacy throughout the region fighting ignorance and superstition. Under the Corrupt islamist rule of Erdogan Turkey is becoming a backwards Islamist nightmare.
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I second that! Turkiye falls to Islamists and guess who is next!!!!
 
DDD said:
Hello Sut,

I am trying to clarify.

Kurds lead by Selahattin Demirtaş join with Ayn Al-Arab Arabs? These are minorities in Turkiye then, right?

What are they after with these vandal acts? Is not Erdogan the one they were looking for? They have him, so why are they now upset?

DDD
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Hi,

Ayn Al-Arab is the name of a town in Syria that is very close to Turkish border; Civillians there came(fled) to Turkey, which is about 170.000, now there is a fight between The IS and YPG ( sister of PKK terrorists), The call of Mr.Demirtaş was addressed to ethnic Kurds living in Turkey for solidarity with YPG terrorists.

I am not sure it is called vandalism, that is why i opened this thread.
 
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süt said:
After the call of Pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) leader Selahattin Demirtaş for solidarity with Ayn Al-Arab, Ethnic Kurds filled up streets for protest or terrorizing, you decide:

Interior minister Mr Ala presents cost of unrest :

- Death toll in Turkey climbs to 37,

- 1,000 people were being held in custody,

- 351 people have been wounded in total,

- 1,024 have been taken under custody and 58 have been arrested,

- More than 1,100 buildings, including 212 school buildings, 67 police department buildings, 25 district governor offices, 29 political party buildings, blood donation centers belonging to the Turkish Red Crescent Society (Kızılay), 780 municipality buildings and more than 1,100 municipality vehicles, ambulances and police vehicles have been .. burnt,

- Stores, cars in streets that belong to civillians have been burnt and looted,

- National flag and statue of Atatürk who is founder of Turkey was burnt many times,
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It is always the same thing. A government loses legitimacy and the people revolt. The details are always a little different, but the basic story is quite simple.
Here the Turkish government has lost credibility and with it its legitimacy by letting an obvious, brutal enemy drive the relatives of a large minority from their homes or be murdered. I can understand the Kurds in this case. What would you think, if your people were treated like that and your government absolutely nothing to stop it?
The same on a lower scale is happening in Germany right now. The minority is just smaller here.
 
joG said:
Dardania?
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Yes, JoG, my personal concern!

We are enjoying diversity of religions and ethnicities due to tolerance. Once Islamist fashists reach Turkiye it may influence Dardania next!
 
süt said:
Hi,

Ayn Al-Arab is the name of a town in Syria that is very close to Turkish border; Civillians there came(fled) to Turkey, which is about 170.000, now there is a fight between The IS and YPG ( sister of PKK terrorists), The call of Mr.Demirtaş was addressed to ethnic Kurds living in Turkey for solidarity with YPG terrorists.

I am not sure it is called vandalism, that is why i opened this thread.
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Uh-huh.

So Demirtas asked for support from Kurds in Turkiye to fight IS away from their Kurdish lands. This fight occurs outside of Turkiye.

Since Kurds are attacking IS they cannot be all that bad, can they? Plus, what is the purpose from this type of vandalism? Why are not Kurds from Turkiye going to the battle grounds and fight IS there in Syria? Why turn on civilians instead?

Does IS loses while Kurds burn various civilian sites within Turkiye? Fcourse not, so what is the deal of all this?
 
joG said:
It is always the same thing. A government loses legitimacy and the people revolt. The details are always a little different, but the basic story is quite simple.
Here the Turkish government has lost credibility and with it its legitimacy by letting an obvious, brutal enemy drive the relatives of a large minority from their homes or be murdered. I can understand the Kurds in this case. What would you think, if your people were treated like that and your government absolutely nothing to stop it?
The same on a lower scale is happening in Germany right now. The minority is just smaller here.
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The story is quite different in this case, i mentioned it a little bit.

The civillians living in places in syria that is close to Turkey have already fled to Turkey, There is now almost 2 million syrian refugees in Turkey, some 170.000 of them arrived in the last month, and they were ethnic kurds living in Ayn al-Arab town of Syria.

At the moment There is a fight in Ayn Al-Arab between The IS and YPG, the ypg is sister of pkk terrorists which is recognised so by the eu, usa and Turkey. Turkey rejects to intervene into the clash between two terrorist organisations and defend YPG against The IS.

According to your justification, Those people are right to kill and burn everything in streets in Turkey to show solidarity with terrorists and anger towards Turkey. Is this what you claim?
 
joG said:
It is always the same thing. A government loses legitimacy and the people revolt. The details are always a little different, but the basic story is quite simple.
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What is interesting is that Erdogan is what these vandals wanted in the first place. Erdogan voices their positions. Thus he should have represented them legitimately.

joG said:
Here the Turkish government has lost credibility and with it its legitimacy by letting an obvious, brutal enemy drive the relatives of a large minority from their homes or be murdered.
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I do not know about this. Did Demirtas forced Kurds in Turkiye to fight with their group against ISIS in Syria? Is this why Kurds are upset?

joG said:
I can understand the Kurds in this case. What would you think, if your people were treated like that and your government absolutely nothing to stop it?
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Considering Kurdish interests of creating Kurdistan, allowing Kurds from Turkiye to join those of Syria in a fight against ISIS may work against Turkish interests. I doubt that Turks did nothing, did they?

joG said:
The same on a lower scale is happening in Germany right now. The minority is just smaller here.
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Interesting.

Elaborate please?
 
süt said:
The story is quite different in this case, i mentioned it a little bit.

The civillians living in places in syria that is close to Turkiye have already fled to Turkiye, There is now almost 2 million syrian refugees in Turkiye, some 170.000 of them arrived in the last month, and they were ethnic kurds living in Ayn al-Arab town of Syria.

At the moment There is a fight in Ayn Al-Arab between The IS and YPG, the ypg is sister of pkk terrorists which is recognised so by the eu, usa and Turkiye. Turkiye rejects to intervene into the clash between two terrorist organisations and defend YPG against The IS.

According to your justification, Those people are right to kill and burn everything in streets in Turkiye to show solidarity with terrorists and anger towards Turkiye. Is this what you claim?
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I corrected the name of your own country. It is written correct on your location but not in your content in your posts. Also, easy with "justifications," we are just exploring what is going on at this stage.

Thank you for telling us the position of Turkiye being: Remain neutral because one should not help any terrorist organization, be it the Kurdish one YPG, or ISIS. I also realized that the vandals are Kurdish refugees from Syria.
 
DDD said:
Uh-huh.

So Demirtas asked for support from Kurds in Turkiye to fight IS away from their Kurdish lands. This fight occurs outside of Turkiye.

Since Kurds are attacking IS they cannot be all that bad, can they? Plus, what is the purpose from this type of vandalism? Why are not Kurds from Turkiye going to the battle grounds and fight IS there in Syria? Why turn on civilians instead?

Does IS loses while Kurds burn various civilian sites within Turkiye? Fcourse not, so what is the deal of all this?
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That is the question Turkish citizens ask HDP(pro-kurdish party in Turkey) and Mr .Demirtas (the leader of that party); What kind of solidarity is it that burning everything in streets and killing civillians.

what is funny is that A group of them crossed the Turkish-Syrian border and went Ayn Al-Arab, and 1 hour later they came back and wanted to enter Turkey.

The IS is a terrorist group as well as YPG, so you can not claim if they fight against the IS , then they are good terrorists. Today they fight against The IS that poses threat to their interests in the region, but tomorrow they will continue attacking Turkey and other countries that pose threat to their interests.

I think What they want to accompish is to draw attention , but the method is in my first and second post in this thread. I cannot claim it is protest, therefore i ask it here. Protest or terrorism?
 
Protest or Terrorism ?


Numerous people here have warned you of the internal/external consequences to Turkey in regards to ISIS siege of the Kurdish city of Kobane directly on your border. You refuse to assist fellow NATO nations who have requested Turkish assistance. You will not permit the resupply of Kurdish fighters and weapons to the besieged city nor will you allow NATO warplanes to use Turkish air bases to help protect Kobane. You are willfully allowing the impending slaughter of thousands of Kurds and now you wonder/complain about the growing Kurdish backlash within Turkey?

I find it impossible to extend any sympathy to an Erdogan government that is doing everything possible to ensure the wholesale slaughter that is about to unfold.
 
DDD said:
I corrected the name of your own country. It is written correct on your location but not in your content in your posts. Also, easy with "justifications," we are just exploring what is going on at this stage.

Thank you for telling us the position of Turkiye being: Remain neutral because one should not help any terrorist organization, be it the Kurdish one YPG, or ISIS. I also realized that the vandals are Kurdish refugees from Syria.
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No they are not, they are actually Turkish citizens of ethnic kurdish origin.

I would like to ask you really think this is vandalism?
 
Simpleχity;1063853670 said:
Protest or Terrorism ?


Numerous people here have warned you of the internal/external consequences to Turkey in regards to ISIS siege of the Kurdish city of Kobane directly on your border. You refuse to assist fellow NATO nations who have requested Turkish assistance. You will not permit the resupply of Kurdish fighters and weapons to the besieged city nor will you allow NATO warplanes to use Turkish air bases to help protect Kobane. You are willfully allowing the impending slaughter of thousands of Kurds and now you wonder/complain about the growing Kurdish backlash within Turkey?

I find it impossible to extend any sympathy to an Erdogan government that is doing everything possible to ensure the wholesale slaughter that is about to unfold.
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..and i answered them accordingly.

The question here is to define the actions in the pictures and report.

So you could justify the actions, but please define it.
 
süt said:
That is the question Turkish citizens ask HDP(pro-kurdish party in Turkiye) and Mr .Demirtas (the leader of that party); What kind of solidarity is it that burning everything in streets and killing civillians.
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Yes, good question.

süt said:
what is funny is that A group of them crossed the Turkish-Syrian border and went Ayn Al-Arab, and 1 hour later they came back and wanted to enter Turkiye.

The IS is a terrorist group as well as YPG, so you can not claim if they fight against the IS , then they are good terrorists. Today they fight against The IS that poses threat to their interests in the region, but tomorrow they will continue attacking Turkiye and other countries that pose threat to their interests.

I think What they want to accompish is to draw attention , but the method is in my first and second post in this thread. I cannot claim it is protest, therefore i ask it here. Protest or terrorism?
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What is going on over there is more interesting than this question. But since you asked here is my position on it: They are just angry refugees.

These Kurds are not Turkish citizens but Syrian ones. They fled and are thus refugees. They are foreign citizens doing damage but refugees nevertheless. The refugee part makes it not be seen as terrorists as easily. While since they are "non citizens of Turkiye" (corrected it for you again, see in bold above also) makes it not be seen as protesters as easily neither.

You can make a poll about this if you like. Be sure to include "Other."
 
süt said:
No they are not, they are actually Turkish citizens of ethnic kurdish origin.

I would like to ask you really think this is vandalism?
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If they are Turkish citizens then these are violent protests including vandalism, yes.
 
DDD said:
If they are Turkish citizens then these are violent protests including vandalism, yes.
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Terrorism: The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

terrorism: definition of terrorism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)


Vandalism: Action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property.

vandalism: definition of vandalism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

Do you think it is so?
 
DDD said:
Yes, JoG, my personal concern!

We are enjoying diversity of religions and ethnicities due to tolerance. Once Islamist fashists reach Turkiye it may influence Dardania next!
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A pity that Turkey and the Europeans are not facing their responsibilities to protect and defend. But Germany and some others just don't feel like spending their hard earned cash and soldiers on international security. Ukraine? Syria? They are free riders. Do not look at them for help. Force them to help.
 
süt said:
The story is quite different in this case, i mentioned it a little bit.

The civillians living in places in syria that is close to Turkey have already fled to Turkey, There is now almost 2 million syrian refugees in Turkey, some 170.000 of them arrived in the last month, and they were ethnic kurds living in Ayn al-Arab town of Syria.

At the moment There is a fight in Ayn Al-Arab between The IS and YPG, the ypg is sister of pkk terrorists which is recognised so by the eu, usa and Turkey. Turkey rejects to intervene into the clash between two terrorist organisations and defend YPG against The IS.

According to your justification, Those people are right to kill and burn everything in streets in Turkey to show solidarity with terrorists and anger towards Turkey. Is this what you claim?
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I think you will find that the Americans have been using airplanes, though, I grant you not enough. They cannot use helicopters, because they would have to work out of Turkey and the Turks are waiting for the Kurds to be rubbed up. But the Americans are not the neighbors and should not be required there at all. It is the Europeans, Arabs and Turks that are behaving maybe shamefully (that is a question of ethics) but certainly stupidly.
And part of the fallout is having unrest in your streets.
 
süt

Do you beleive the Erdogan Government is a disgrace to the legacy of Ataturk?
 
süt said:
The question here is to define the actions in the pictures and report.
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I provided my opinion. The backlash within Turkey will be commensurate with the deterioration within Kobane.
 
süt said:
Terrorism: The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

terrorism: definition of terrorism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)


Vandalism: Action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property.

vandalism: definition of vandalism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

Do you think it is so?
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Yes, yes, these are actions taken from Turkish citizens to deliberately damage the public or private property. I think for them to be terrorists they would have to be foreigners.
 
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