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Less than 17 days to Scotland Independence referendum[W:470]

gunner said:
There you go again, with the word 'forced'. No person was forced into conforming. It was each persons choice and around 15% chose not to take part.

Again, tell me what Libertarian philosophers you follow, and give me a coherent explanation why?
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Im not the topic. And again, 45% expressed a will to be independent. Thus, they should be. The other 55% can stay with the UK.
 
jonny5 said:
I dont see how thats a bad thing. Choosing to have local rule instead of London rule is not anarchy. There is no law that prohibits Scots from being free from the UK, thus its not anarchy. Each Scot is free to choose which govt they prefer to be apart of, or none. That is not anarchy. That IS libertarianism. Heck, thats AMERICAN.
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No, it's anarchy. It's 'I'm taking my ball and going home because I don't like majority rule'. You simply don't have a clue.
 
jonny5 said:
Im not the topic. And again, 45% expressed a will to be independent. Thus, they should be. The other 55% can stay with the UK.
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Maybe the dumbest idea I've ever seen on here.
 
MrFirst said:
I don't dare to argue with your mighty intellect. ;)
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Well, you've been hammered every time you've tried with your Russian propaganda garbage so it's hardly surprising that you've given up. By the way, it's 'you're mighty intellect', not 'your might intellect'.
 
jonny5 said:
Th 45% arent free, if they are forced to remain under the authority of the UK, even though they chose to be independent.
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You mean like 48% of all americans are forced to have Barack Obama as their President even though they voted for Mitt Romney? :lamo
 
jonny5 said:
Im not the topic. And again, 45% expressed a will to be independent. Thus, they should be. The other 55% can stay with the UK.
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In other words, like the vast majority of Libertarians, you have absolutely no idea how to articulate the political doctrine you purport to follow.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, you've been hammered every time you've tried with your Russian propaganda garbage so it's hardly surprising that you've given up. By the way, it's 'you're mighty intellect', not 'your might intellect'.
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I realize I left the 'a' out, as did you. What you meant to say was 'you're a mighty intellect'.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Yep. Maybe Putin thinks that to make the referendum meet "international standards," England should have occupied Scotland ahead of the vote with thousands of unmarked soldiers and armored vehicles, to, erm, I don't know, protect English speakers in Scotland? :lol: After all, I can't understand a thing when those Scots use their heavy accent or that darn Gaelic. Oh, not to forget sending a convoy with "humanitarian aid" - you know, there's the threat of a humanitarian catastrophe with those Scots at risk of dying from alcohol poisoning with all the whiskey they drink!
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Yes. I see the difference with Russian sense of humor. Because there is big difference between Donbas, where Russia sent humanitaran convoys, and Scotland. Nobody tries to bomb Edinbourgh, as far as I understand, meanwhile already thousands of civilian people killed in Donbass, many cities are ruined, no electricity, no fresh tap water, no normal conditions for life, no medical treatment, no food, most of shops don;t work, and so on. This is very funny, of course, ha-ha-ha.
 
By the way, this is how the referendum was held in Donbass.

The city of Krasnoarmeysk, May 11. People came to vote in referendum on status of Donbas. But the polling station was surrounded by armed people who didn't allow the locals to come in. Suddenly these armed people started shooting. Two local men were killed.



See the difference?
 
MrFirst said:
Yes. I see the difference with Russian sense of humor. Because there is big difference between Donbas, where Russia sent humanitaran convoys, and Scotland. Nobody tries to bomb Edinbourgh, as far as I understand, meanwhile already thousands of civilian people killed in Donbass, many cities are ruined, no electricity, no fresh tap water, no normal conditions for life, no medical treatment, no food, most of shops don;t work, and so on. This is very funny, of course, ha-ha-ha.
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Are you getting the message yet that western democracies don't need election advice from an oligarchy like Russia? You are just embarrassing yourself in this thread. You should stop now.
 
gunner said:
In other words, like the vast majority of Libertarians, you have absolutely no idea how to articulate the political doctrine you purport to follow.
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Well since all you guys have is ad hominems, ill consider this argument done.
 
jonny5 said:
Well since all you guys have is ad hominems, ill consider this argument done.
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You mean you have no clue as to what underpins Libertarianism, as such, you're off with your tail between your legs.

Paul
 
jonny5 said:
Im not the topic. And again, 45% expressed a will to be independent. Thus, they should be. The other 55% can stay with the UK.
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You can't run any legitimate society on those kinds of principle. If these people formed a geographic rump - you probably could argue for a Quebecois type of arrangement where a state went its own way but what if the 45% lived among the 55% who wanted to stay with the UK?

If your idea went ahead, where would these 45% live and have this independent country? If you applied this logic further, what if 20 out of 27 EU states said no thanks, we don't want this country to join the EU - would the other 7 states then join with the new country and how would that work?
 
Wiggen said:
Are you getting the message yet that western democracies don't need election advice from an oligarchy like Russia? You are just embarrassing yourself in this thread. You should stop now.
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Western "democracies" take advices only from one place - Washington D.C. Everyone knows it.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You can't run any legitimate society on those kinds of principle. If these people formed a geographic rump - you probably could argue for a Quebecois type of arrangement where a state went its own way but what if the 45% lived among the 55% who wanted to stay with the UK?

If your idea went ahead, where would these 45% live and have this independent country? If you applied this logic further, what if 20 out of 27 EU states said no thanks, we don't want this country to join the EU - would the other 7 states then join with the new country and how would that work?
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What he's attempting to describe is this (I think?):

Libertarian municipalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but I'm not entirely sure. What frustrates me with these type of posters (and its more often than not, Libertarians) is they have absolutely no clue as to what they 'think' it is they argue for. They roll out generic terms like: 'small government', ' maximum freedom of choice', 'voluntary association' etc. without actually understanding the concept.

Paul
 
MrFirst said:
Western "democracies" take advices only from one place - Washington D.C. Everyone knows it.
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You mean everyone in that hell hole in which you live? You need to stop swallowing the propaganda crap from Moscow and see the world. Do your Russian masters allow their citizens to travel freely now?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I'm not so sure it's that "simple" - he / she's clearly not happy about the result of the election and either wants all those unionists to move South or for some part of Scotland to be divided off for the 45%.

Either way, it's just not realistic.
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I think you are being far too polite. It's infantile and so Libertarian.
 
Wiggen said:
You mean everyone in that hell hole in which you live? You need to stop swallowing the propaganda crap from Moscow and see the world. Do your Russian masters allow their citizens to travel freely now?
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I don't understand why I'm talking to you. You are arrogant, ignorant, impolite person making mostly senseless idiotic comments.
 
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