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Now illegal to quote winston churchill in uk

Infinite Chaos said:
She was well within her rights to call the police if someone is on her employer's property, without permission and using a megaphone to speak to the public.
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Of course she is, though it\s not clear that her employer was involved. The point is that the speaker quoting Churchill was arrested. She had no problem speaking her mind, nor should she.
Look, as Manskipper says, Weston has done this before, he's not naive - he knew he didn't have permission & he could have gone onto the public highway. Don't make this out to be more than a guy deliberately seeking to be arrested or get into the news.
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You may well be right. Perhpas its all publicity, and he got it. But there are many other examples of intolerance of free speech as well.

You didn't read the Liberty link I gave you did you - I even pasted a passage on speaking from council property. Council property is not public property.
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Perhaps council has a different meaning in England but my understanding is that a council belongs to the people through their taxes.

I take it you are clear on my question about individuals / groups but it seems you are not ready to admit that Weston was not within his rights in any democratic country to go onto someone else's property and speak through a megaphone / address the public without permission?
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Had he been on the sidewalk would it have made a difference? Would he have been arrested there as well? What if he had just raised his voice and not used a megaphone?

The sad fact is that speech in Britain, like the people themselves, are being monitored too closely. Jonathan Freedland: how police gay rights zealotry is threatening our freedom of speech | World news | The Guardian
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Can you clarify which law?
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I was responding to Manc Skipper.
Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper
The relevant sections (132-138) were almost entirely down to one man, Brian Haw, (RIP) who held a one man peace protest across the road (well within megaphone range) from the Houses of Parliament, camping there for almost ten years.
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I responded "Odd that any government would pass a law effecting all people largely from the actions of one man".
 
Grant said:
Of course she is, though it\s not clear that her employer was involved. The point is that the speaker quoting Churchill was arrested. She had no problem speaking her mind, nor should she.
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I think the point is the speaker wasn't arrested for quoting Churchill which is what you tried to paint the thread as.

Grant said:
You may well be right. Perhpas its all publicity, and he got it. But there are many other examples of intolerance of free speech as well.
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That may be true but Weston set out to be arrested.

Grant said:
Perhaps council has a different meaning in England but my understanding is that a council belongs to the people through their taxes.
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In whatever country you live in - could you go and start a free speech campaign in the middle of a runway at one of your airforce bases? Could you walk into a police station and start a free speech campaign in the police superintendent's office while he / she is having a meeting?

Grant said:
-- Had he been on the sidewalk would it have made a difference? Would he have been arrested there as well? What if he had just raised his voice and not used a megaphone?
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If he had been on the public walkway then he would have had no problem - and no publicity. That's the focus.
 
Winston said many things which would be considered wrong nowadays. He had a 'nice' line in anti semtism too.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I think the point is the speaker wasn't arrested for quoting Churchill which is what you tried to paint the thread as.
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Then what was it that the woman found "disgusting"?
That may be true but Weston set out to be arrested.
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Perhaps.
In whatever country you live in - could you go and start a free speech campaign in the middle of a runway at one of your airforce bases? Could you walk into a police station and start a free speech campaign in the police superintendent's office while he / she is having a meeting?
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These are not good comparisons.
If he had been on the public walkway then he would have had no problem - and no publicity. That's the focus.
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Well it might be a good experiment to try that location next time. However there is also the story of a woman in Oldham who was taken away by police for carrying the Union flag on public property.

In any case there does appear to be a crisis of free speech in the UK, and Europe, and little is being done about it apart from passing laws to protect hurt feelings. This is not the Britain that was.
 
Grant said:
Then what was it that the woman found "disgusting"?
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That's already been answered.

Grant said:
-- These are not good comparisons.
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They're entirely relevant. It's still someone walking into a space to use it for a purpose they would normally need permission for.

Please answer the question from my last post.

Grant said:
-- However there is also the story of a woman in Oldham who was taken away by police for carrying the Union flag on public property.

In any case there does appear to be a crisis of free speech in the UK, and Europe, and little is being done about it apart from passing laws to protect hurt feelings. This is not the Britain that was.
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Why do you do this? the first time you posted that on anther thread I showed you the article from the Oldham newspaper that stated the pregnant woman wasn't arrested, the Union flag wasn't taken off her and that a second but inflammatory flag not shown in the video was what was confiscated.

Why do you fall for these videos so easily?
 
Grant said:
It's happening throughout the democracies to greater or lesser degrees but right now the UK appears to be the worst. Hard to believe that Winston Churchill would now have been arrested for his crime,

Paul Weston quoted the following excerpt about Islam from the book The River War by Winston Churchill:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries.

Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.”​
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Regardless of what Weston was arrested for, It's worth Noting that Churchill passage WOULD put him in violation of the Law in Most European countries and IMO, the UK too.
(that has NOT to do with 'CON' or no 'Con')
It's somewhat 'worse' (or more accurate, depending on your opinion), than statments of Wilders.
Fallaci and Bardot also came up against the Hate Speech Laws in their countries.

Two Years previous to River Wars and well before modern times/reactionism people blame for radical Islamism, Churchill wrote

http://books.google.com/books?id=Q_ugUZWB1GsC&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq="Indeed#v=onepage&q="Indeed&f=true
The Malakand Field Force said:
"Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men's passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance.

It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness."
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Churchill had some critical things to say about Jews as well, mostly in regards Bolshevism, but later in life became a champion of the Jews even as pro-Arab/anti-zionist sentiment grew in the British Govt between the World Wars.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_zionists_impact.php said:
"...Winston Churchill was British Colonial Secretary when he visited the Middle East in the winter of 1920-1921. Anti-Semitic elements in the British government tried to assert that the Jews were not needed to develop Palestine. Churchill replied:

"Left to themselves, the Arabs of Palestine would not in a thousand years have taken effective steps towards the irrigation and electrification of Palestine. They would have been quite content to dwell—a handful of philosophic people—in wasted sun-drenched plains, letting the waters of the Jordan flow unbridled and unharnessed into the Dead Sea."​
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He died perhaps the most ardent non-Jewish Zionist of all time, probably in part due to his opinion of 'Mohammedanism' and the people's he was familiar with who practiced it.
 
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I don't feel threatened by the greater population of Muslims in the US. 98% of them center their lives around getting married, having children, and getting invited to one another's weddings. Perpetrating acts of terror is as alien a concept as it is to the rest of us.
 
pogomutt said:
I don't feel threatened by the greater population of Muslims in the US. 98% of them center their lives around getting married, having children, and getting invited to one another's weddings. Perpetrating acts of terror is as alien a concept as it is to the rest of us.
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Not all Muslims are terrorists.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
That's already been answered.
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In fact the kast time you said she was an enployee and wanted him off the property. What was the "disgusting" comment al about?
They're entirely relevant. It's still someone walking into a space to use it for a purpose they would normally need permission for.
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Yes, you appear to believe that.
Please answer the question from my last post.
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Which question was that?
Why do you do this? the first time you posted that on anther thread I showed you the article from the Oldham newspaper that stated the pregnant woman wasn't arrested, the Union flag wasn't taken off her and that a second but inflammatory flag not shown in the video was what was confiscated.
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Did I say she was arrested? I know the police arrived to calm things down apparently.
Why do you fall for these videos so easily?
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Which videos?
 
Grant said:
In fact the kast time you said she was an enployee and wanted him off the property. What was the "disgusting" comment al about?
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Ask her. I'm not a mind reader.

Grant said:
Yes, you appear to believe that.
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Dodge

Grant said:
Which question was that?
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You're dodging. I've asked you several questions, I've answered all yours repeatedly. You keep trying to ask the same question in different ways until I either give up or give you the answer you want.

Grant said:
Did I say she was arrested? I know the police arrived to calm things down apparently.
Which videos?
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I mean stories. You don't research your stories, you fall for the version you wish to believe (just like the OP and the Oldham story).

You don't question your own story, you simply question anyone who disagrees as you are here and you don't answer.
 
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