'Islamization of Europe a good thing'

NoC_T said:

Did I personally invent sarcasm? I don't remember doing it, but I could have been drunk.

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Yeah, you did and you were. We tried to tell you wasn't worth it. "Just leave it, NoC!" we cried, but you were well beyond reason by that time. "Do you want some?" growled the man mountain waving his enormous fist in your face. "Oh, yes please," you countered. "I'd love some with mayo and extra onions." We tittered.

This is a true story.

Andalublue said:

Yeah, you did and you were. We tried to tell you wasn't worth it. "Just leave it, NoC!" we cried, but you were well beyond reason by that time. "Do you want some?" growled the man mountain waving his enormous fist in your face. "Oh, yes please," you countered. "I'd love some with mayo and extra onions." We tittered.

This is a true story.

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:rofl

+1

Rainman05 said:

I am disgusted by that guy.




Screw him and all he stands for.

If you're ever wondering why some people hate the jews and why anti-semitism exists, it's because of people like this guy. Rabid rabbis.

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No, anti-Semitism exists because folks like the OP will find any negative story about someone Jewish to stoke some fires against them and folks like you then promptly gobble it up.

Rainman05 said:

I haven't fallen bait to anything.
The rabbi order has, within it's membership, quite the extremists and the racists. And when you see people like the rabbi in the OP and the **** they say, it just gives the people who hate jews or who want to hate the jews ammunition. And it won't be that racist asshole rabbi who is going to get his teeth knocked in. No. It will be some random jew who runs into some people who saw that stuff posted and decided it's time to react. Whether they be whites or muslims or whatever, doesn't matter. And that's f-ed up man.

So that's why screw that rabbi and all he stands for.

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I see, so if Jews are victimized by bigoted thugs that's ultimately the fault of...other Jews. That's quite a neat little package.

Proud South Korean said:

Yes, indeed

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Takes one to know one doesn't it?

X Factor said:

I see, so if Jews are victimized by bigoted thugs that's ultimately the fault of...other Jews. That's quite a neat little package.

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Boy you went dumpster diving. This thread was 4 months ago.
If I am going to be replying to your comments I suggest you don't line up your bottom to get a quick foot up its ass because you are not reading the comment.

What did I say? I said that it won't be that jew, the mad rabbi, who will be getting his teeth knocked in because of his racist comments.

It will be some jewish kid from London who walks into powerkeg of a neighborhood who just read the article and decided to knock his teeth in. The kid is blameless, he may not even hear or care about what the rabbi said. but he's going to become the victim because his "representatives" or people who claim to be as such, make such statements and give people motive to hate jews.

Which is why it's bad to have idiots in charge of govt or positions of authority. Stupidity has consequences, not just for the stupid, but for others who are being covered by them.

Look at it this way in light of the new ukrainian crisis. Because Putin is claiming he moved in Crimea to protect ethnic russians and is claiming to be the guardian of the russian people wherever they may be... there may be spikes of anti-russian feelins in many countries and among many people who have every reason to hate the russians for historical motives. And maybe some russian kid who lives in... lets say Poland or east germany.... he has no idea about politics, doesn't care... he wants to grow up to be lawyer in that country. But because of Putin who claims to represent all russians everywhere and be their guardian, some people may start hating the russians and it's this russian kid that's gonna get his teeth knocked in by some people, not Putin. Putin will be fine and dandy.

If you can't understand this point, there is no reason in arguing with you and I suggest you line up your bottom for my shoe to fit in.

Andalublue said:

And yet, the very next post... Jeez!

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You must have misunderstood, he's talking about Jews so I know that's nothing that concerns you.

Rainman05 said:

Boy you went dumpster diving. This thread was 4 months ago.
If I am going to be replying to your comments I suggest you don't line up your bottom to get a quick foot up its ass because you are not reading the comment.

What did I say? I said that it won't be that jew, the mad rabbi, who will be getting his teeth knocked in because of his racist comments.

It will be some jewish kid from London who walks into powerkeg of a neighborhood who just read the article and decided to knock his teeth in. The kid is blameless, he may not even hear or care about what the rabbi said. but he's going to become the victim because his "representatives" or people who claim to be as such, make such statements and give people motive to hate jews.

Which is why it's bad to have idiots in charge of govt or positions of authority. Stupidity has consequences, not just for the stupid, but for others who are being covered by them.

Look at it this way in light of the new ukrainian crisis. Because Putin is claiming he moved in Crimea to protect ethnic russians and is claiming to be the guardian of the russian people wherever they may be... there may be spikes of anti-russian feelins in many countries and among many people who have every reason to hate the russians for historical motives. And maybe some russian kid who lives in... lets say Poland or east germany.... he has no idea about politics, doesn't care... he wants to grow up to be lawyer in that country. But because of Putin who claims to represent all russians everywhere and be their guardian, some people may start hating the russians and it's this russian kid that's gonna get his teeth knocked in by some people, not Putin. Putin will be fine and dandy.

If you can't understand this point, there is no reason in arguing with you and I suggest you line up your bottom for my shoe to fit in.

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This just reminds me of all the arguments about how Israel causes the terrorism it suffers. You want to come off all sympathetic to the Jewish kid (to show just how much of a non anti-Semite you are) but you don't want to cast any of the fault or blame on the anti-Semitic assholes that would beat up a kid for being Jewish. What to do...what to do...oh, I know...blame it on another Jew. Those other people who beat up the kid? They were provoked. Like I say, it's quite neat.

X Factor said:

This just reminds me of all the arguments about how Israel causes the terrorism it suffers. You want to come off all sympathetic to the Jewish kid (to show just how much of a non anti-Semite you are) but you don't want to cast any of the fault or blame on the anti-Semitic assholes that would beat up a kid for being Jewish. What to do...what to do...oh, I know...blame it on another Jew. Those other people who beat up the kid? They were provoked. Like I say, it's quite neat.

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Most times people attack other people due to a reason. A motive. That's why if you look at all the Poirot movies people are looking for motives. Some motives are trivial, some are stupid, some are complex and intriguing.


People don't just become anti-semites. Stuff happens and they become anti-semites. And some people look at the crazy that is coming out of Israel and they say "god damn, that's crazy" and react to that.

I always said that it's a massive diservice to jews everywhere that Israel brands itself a jewish state and claims that it represents all jews and thats' why hatin israel makes you and anti-semite. It's the same stupid argument that people use to say that if you hate obama is because you're a racist. Now. there are racists who hate obama coz he's black. And there are anti-semites who hate israel. But that's how the relationship goes. It's not the item of your hate that makes you a racist, it's the motive. Motive is important.

Unfortunately for jews all around the world, it is very easy to make a case against them if you look at the rabbi order or the state of israel. It's super easy because there are a lot of things to not like about either. But it won't be the people who are in charge of running the state of israel or the rabbi order that will suffer, it'll be jews who live or wander off in their day to day lives. And that's just how the world works. It's not about this coz this is a hypothetical example I gave to illustrate a point. But if you cannot understand the point I'm making and want to resort to cheap 'feelz' sort of statements... well, we all have to accept that other people have limitations in regards to understanding.

There was no jewish kid harmed in the making of this post. it's just an academical example to make you understand cause and effect. Action and consequences that happen in real world.

And that's why I gave you the ukrainian crisis example with the russian kid. Because I know that some people lock up mentally when they hear the world "jew" and automatically respond with the ingrained reponse and rhetoric and ignore all other points. Which is exactly what you did because you didn't even recognize the russian kid example. Just the jewish one.

24107 said:

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She's only commenting on current issues. Namely, EU consolidation and immigration. Personally, I see nothing there to indicate any insidious Jewish plot.

X Factor said:

You must have misunderstood, he's talking about Jews so I know that's nothing that concerns you.

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Ah, I see. So different rules apply to Jews and Moslems. Got it.

The German said:

There is no islamisation of Europe.

That is a myth.

The birthrates of 2nd generation muslims drop to the standerds common within the country due to wealth.

Wealth is the main factor of influence in a countries birth rates.

The birth rates of islamic countries such as Turkey and Algeria have been dropping aswell with the increase of wealth in recent years to European levels of 2 children per family.

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turkey is not islamic!!!!!!!!!

ignorance must be such a thing.people should learn teh difference between an islamist society and secular country whose population is muslim

nobody has the right to compare turkey to arabian countries.

Sometimes it's instructive to go back and review a thread after a couple of months. In this one you have two of the biggest jew baiters on the forum stoking the fires and getting immediate support from the usual collection of European and Canadian anti-semites. When this is pointed out to the 'supporters' of this anti-Semitic bull****, they immediately come back with either deflection or 'yes, they may be virulent anti-semites, but their points are valid' (generally they aren't nearly that eloquent, however). It would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.

Andalublue said:

Ah, I see. So different rules apply to Jews and Moslems. Got it.

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Another sad attempt at deflection from the 'U.S. and Israel are the source of all evil' crowd.

Wiggen said:

Another sad attempt at deflection from the 'U.S. and Israel are the source of all evil' crowd.

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I've been considering for a while that you're an anti-semitic poe posing as an islamophobe.

I have heard American bigots claim that Jews promote miscegenation in order to genetically weaken Christian whites, so the claim that Jews are promoting Islamification of Europe for their own evil ends is not too surprising since Jews are obviously superior beings from outer space capable of controlling lesser minds with their super powers.


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Andalublue said:

I've been considering for a while that you're an anti-semitic poe posing as an islamophobe.

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Well, I'm not...but if I was, it would be no different than a virulent anti-Semite posing as just an interested European observer.

Wiggen said:

Well, I'm not...but if I was, it would be no different than a virulent anti-Semite posing as just an interested European observer.

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That's what a poe would say, isn't it'

And that's how a true anti-Semite would reply. Your many, many posts speak for themselves.

Neither of you are anti-semites or poes. STFU the both of you.

The OP and Cannell are.

Ben K. said:

Neither of you are anti-semites or poes. STFU the both of you.

The OP and Cannell are.

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Fair enough, Ben. I apologise to those in the thread my spat with Wiggen has annoyed. Sorry about that.

X Factor said:

No, anti-Semitism exists because folks like the OP will find any negative story about someone Jewish to stoke some fires against them and folks like you then promptly gobble it up.

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Agreed. But in my observation, that's what's commonplace and widely accepted, as long as the very same approach is used towards Muslims.

Now I may be wrong, but that's how I perceive the situation:

The "islamization of Europe" is a myth. Advanced by chauvinistic fascist fringe nuts in Europe who just found this kind of xenophobia more fashionable than the classic old anti-Semitism. They even use the very same methods -- like taking extreme examples to brush all members of that religious group with one huge brush and ignoring all the successful examples of integration, making up fake statistic about alleged "birthrates" of Muslims "outbreeding" Europeans which couldn't be more absurd, and all that based on chauvinistic ethnic European nationalism ("a foreign body is intruding our sacred blood and soil").

Americans who are filled with prejudices against Europeans mistake this kind of European islamophobia for the same kind of liberal criticism of Muslim religiosity you often find in America and side with these European fascists, take all their BS statistics without the deserved grain of salt, keep parroting their propaganda and suddenly are surprised, but fail to admit it, when their nice far-right European bedfellows suddenly show their true face and side with Putin's Russia or anti-Semites.

Is that about right?